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Reply #15 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 10:46pm
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Have done several times, listen and listen good.

A bit up it is suggested that the Chassepot like the  Gras uses left hand thread.
This is correct. In other words to unbolt the barrel from the receiver on these guns "think backwards".

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Nothing as far as chemicals is going to help. Having taken barrels off receivers since the beginning of dawn NOTHING had me prepared to do so on a Chassepot. Or Gras for that matter.
They´re on there you won´t believe why taking the barrel off will have to be for good reasons. Like they were welded on there.

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Having said that..
A BIG vise.. a torch a spanner that fits. Remove sealing rubber from the bolt and put bolt back into receiver. This as the forces involved WILL skew the receiver otherwise.
One 1 yard long steel tube to put atop the wrench.

Now heat the receiver until you think you´ve handed the thing what it takes. Then heat it twice that. Just before cherry red normally does it. Don´t fret, steels involved are not able to harden or similar. It is by todays standards semi low quality so just heat away.

Now apply the wrench with the one yard piece of tubing and crank down on that thing what you´ve got. It´ll most likely come lose with a small snap.
No.
I´m NOT kidding, wish i was.

Just as it lets go stand down. Let cool. Do NOT continue unbolting the thing in its hot state. Let cool and then apply oil, have it penetrate best as you can.
Now unbolt the barrel.
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 5th, 2020 at 10:59pm
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That said, living where i do the Chassepot´s are popular at they´re one of the few rifles permit exempt.

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This particular one has had a tool room steel insert installed to take 45-120 cartridges approx. Steel involved is as weldable as they come, so no worries there.

What we´ve done that apart is figure out a "system" to keep exempt but still realize performance.
The main culprit of the Chassepot, from an accuracy POW, being that insane forcing cone of them.

So.
We just jump that by using true bore riders. Most of them measure a minimum diameter of 11.00-11.05mm. Thus the bullets used are exactly that and in turn sport 458"-460" drivebands out back.
This brings that the cartridge used become longer, and at that rate we´re at like around the 85mm mark COAL.
But.

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We proceeded by using the utmost "culot" of (now) regular 308Win brass and a shell holder for the same. Rest i guess you can figure out.

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Using a jumbo sized straw we put cartridges together like sorts of Lego. No adhesives involved. 
One MAJOR issue with these rifles is their inherent will to soot. Like crazy.
What adds insult to injury is that in stock form the cartridges needs to be super stiff packed to be of any use, to go off.
We´ve played around with ALL other options as far as getting the blackpowder to react with grease to no avail.
But with this cartridge we´re free to just use an over powder card and then grease, before any wads and finally the bullet.
..and it works.

Now. Seeing this issue we´ve played around with duplex loads as well and in our case 70 grains of black and 7 grains of Norma 200 does it. Issue is most sanctioning bodies around here won´t allow it for comps.

Thus the rather evolved journey arriving on them cartridges and the beaut is that you can do this to an otherwise completely stock Chassepot.
All you do is replace the "umbrella" with that modified shell holder, shorten the needle and round it off.. and your´re good to go.

Does it work?

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Well, that´s 4 shots and then the flyer was certainly on me. Distance 100 meters.
  
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Re: Barrel removal
Reply #17 - Nov 6th, 2020 at 12:46am
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I know I mentioned about these rifles Chassepot and Gras having a left hand thread previously. Checked with the members on the Gunboards French Rifles forum and was told that both rifles do indeed have a left handed thread thread in the receiver. One thing I have not seen mentioned, is to use a parting or cutoff tool in the lathe and make a deep cut very near where the breeching face of the barrel. This does serve to lessen the compression between the barrel and receiver. I've done this on some small ring Mausers, British P14 Enfields in 303 British and U.S. model of 1917 Enfields and a couple Moisin Nagant rifles. Frank
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 6th, 2020 at 12:35pm
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Back in the old days, my gunsmith did that to get the barrel off a Luger.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 6th, 2020 at 6:37pm
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The information on the left hand threads puts an entirely new twist on things. Thank you so very much for that information, I will pass it along to my friend.
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