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38 Extra Long
Sep 20th, 2020 at 8:40pm
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Working up some 38 Extra Long (formed from much more available 357 max brass).

Starting with 190 gr round nose and 5.5gr of Unique; then I'll try the 220 gr. semi wadcutters.

Ruger #3 with Canjar trigger.
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 21st, 2020 at 7:10am
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Nice - Is that round nose a hollow base bullet?
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2020 at 4:03pm
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plain flat base on the RN -
I'll look up the mold #s after the match.
100yds shouldn't be bad, but 200 is an bigger unknown.
  

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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2020 at 5:43pm
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What alloy and lube?
  

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Re: 38 Extra Long
Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2020 at 9:34pm
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alloy is the easy answer:  20:1

lube is easy but not much of an answer - it is a quart or so batch that started with the original Alox, a bit of bees wax, some carnauba wax, some anhydrous lanolin, a little ATF and likely something that I've long forgotten.  When it runs out, I'll take a serious look at something else.  I dip lube and strip the excess lube off with a push through sizer.
  

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Re: 38 Extra Long
Reply #5 - Sep 25th, 2020 at 7:12pm
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What barrel length? Any idea on velocity? 

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Re: 38 Extra Long
Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 4:03pm
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38 Extra Long??? Is that the same as 38 Ballard Extra Long? - I can't find any other Extra Long. How long are the cases? 

I am curious because I acquired a Pedersoli Creedmoor Rolling Block in .357 Magnum, and discovered that the lead is ridiculously long. It's not a manufacturing error - the chamber dimensions match CIP values, which seem to be a result of optimization for pistol/revolver shooting.

So I made up some cartridges with the bullets seated out as far as I felt would be stable (1 caliber length of bullet in the case) and the rifle performed much better.

I really wanted to have a "small-bore" BPCR, and the cartridge I have now is getting closer to the linear dimensions of the 38 Ballard Extra Long. Bullet size is, alas, still the ridiculous pseudo-.38 a.k.a .357. Let's call it a .357 Long-ish.

Hence my interest in what you are doing, and the wish to learn more.

Patrick
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