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ssmann Junior Member Offline Posts: 58 Location: Buhler, Ks Joined: Jan 9^th, 2016	Re: Another Pope question Reply #60 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	CodyS wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 12:44pm: The inverse side of the story that can also be considered is that he ran off and abandoned his wife and children when he went to San Francisco. It is also possible that he never set up shop there, but rather just wasted all his money on drugs and prostitutes. About the time of the earthquake he had blown his wad and was broke. He never took employment, but instead sat around and did who knows what until his friends bailed him out. He never paid his friends back, and ended up alienating himself from Rowland for a simple comment he made. Rowland was the main financial contributor to helping Pope get back on his feet. I have seen a letter from Rowland to Pope in which Rowland is explaining himself and asking Pope to forgive him, which he never did. Pope was undoubtedly a very talented barrel maker, very talented marksman, and very much an a-hole. To me, it is interesting to consider other explanations regardless of how unpopular they are, rather than just accept the fairy tale story that we have been told. Cody Sad you continue to take pot shots without I Assume, a shred of evidence to back up your many claims. Rumors are just that, without any documentation, would really like to see where you got your info.


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1825 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Another Pope question Reply #61 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	Quote: Harry was not a MIT graduate, only took a course there. But here is the best history write up about the Master ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Thanks Johnboy, If that article written is from an interview by the author, it takes a lot of the speculation posted here and shows what it really is, just speculation or "I heard from".


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Another Pope question Reply #62 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	"Sad you continue to take pot shots without I Assume, a shred of evidence to back up your many claims. Rumors are just that, without any documentation, would really like to see where you got your info." Now that he's been dead for seventy years, bout time we threw ole Harry under the bus. I feel dang lucky I don't own own of his rifles. Drugs? Redheads? Wait a minute...........
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #63 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:04pm	Print Post
	Why can't you just let Harry Pope rest in peace for a change. He just simply lived his own life the way that he chose to do so.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1402 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Another Pope question Reply #64 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	If that article written is from an interview by the author That article, which John Boy and I have both referenced, is indeed based on one or more interviews with Pope and contains what are presented as direct quotes, many quite lengthy, not paraphrases thereof. And if people like CodyS wish to believe that Pope lied about his San Francisco experience in that and other interviews, that's their privilege. However, if they state their counter beliefs publicly, they need to back them up. Bill Lawrence


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CodyS Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Carpenter Wyoming Joined: Dec 25^th, 2015	Re: Another Pope question Reply #65 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Geez, who would have thought offering an alternative explanation would upset folks so much? As for sources, I am getting some of my ideas from conversations with a couple of different well researched schuetzen shooters that have many letters of Rowland's, Pope's, and others in their collections, as well as a tremendous amount of other old material. There is enough info in that material to make one wonder if all the Pope stories we know are true. The question I have is there other info to back up your beliefs on Pope other than what came from himself? Of course he is going to sugar coat his own story. I think it is interesting to learn the real stories, not just the fairy tale, dime novel versions. respectfully, Cody


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Another Pope question Reply #66 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	I'm not upset. You been crackin me up.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18027 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #67 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	Pope did indeed work in San Francisco after the earthquake that took his shop, which was only open I believe 3 days. He went to work for John Sidle the famous rifle scope maker and stayed with Sidle for I believe over a year from what I've read. But I believe whatever wages he made there would likely have been eaten up by normal day to day living costs, so not likely he made enough to save for the trip home.

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CodyS Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Location: Carpenter Wyoming Joined: Dec 25^th, 2015	Re: Another Pope question Reply #68 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 10:35pm	Print Post
	That is interesting, I don't think I had read that. Has anyone found any accounts concerning Pope's San Francisco shop other than from Pope?


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Another Pope question Reply #69 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	What I want to know is who was this redhead Harry ran off with? Probly wasn't Harry's fault anyway.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1825 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Another Pope question Reply #70 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 10:43pm: What I want to know is who was this redhead Harry ran off with? Seems to me I read it somewhere or maybe I heard it from somebody but I'm not sure I can remember everything but I think it was Annie Oakley. He had the hots for her cuz she was such a good shot.


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: Another Pope question Reply #71 - Jul 27^th, 2020 at 12:22am	Print Post
	Codys, I appreciate your input, some or all of it may be incorrect, but they are possibilities. Nobody is perfect. No matter what he was a damn good barrel maker. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Another Pope question Reply #72 - Jul 27^th, 2020 at 12:31am	Print Post
	Redheads, if they can get free hand fed chicken from the Colonel just think what one could do to ole Harry.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1402 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Another Pope question Reply #73 - Jul 27^th, 2020 at 8:45am	Print Post
	Has anyone found any accounts concerning Pope's San Francisco shop other than from Pope? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure I read a brief article in a contemporary San Francisco or nearby newspaper that noted Pope's shop being destroyed. Not surprising when you consider how big schuetzen shooting was in that area and how famous Pope's name was in that circle; indeed I'd guess that's why Pope went out there. Bill Lawrence


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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 612 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Another Pope question Reply #74 - Jul 27^th, 2020 at 9:41am	Print Post
	How many contemporary gunsmiths, shooters, collectors and writers will be remembered 100 years from now. Baseball, Football, Hockey etc... all have Halls of Fame. The shooting sports was the largest spectator sport back when Pope was active. Pope would be the 1st inductee to our Hall of Fame.


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