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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18027 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #105 - Jul 29^th, 2020 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	There's a very good chance Pope and Maxim met, as Harry did not leave his uncle's business until well into the 1890's. In 1894 his uncle sent him to Europe to investigate the automobile business, and send home info to Albert on how the business was done. About a year or so later Pope's one man operation at home had gotten so busy he left his uncle's business, and made barrel making a full time job.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #106 - Jul 29^th, 2020 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	Did not Pope also shot some matches on trips to Europe and were not those trips related to the automobile engines themselves.
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burntwater Oldtimer Offline Posts: 597 Location: Michigan Joined: Feb 5^th, 2018	Re: Another Pope question Reply #107 - Jul 29^th, 2020 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jul 29^th, 2020 at 3:54pm: burntwater wrote on Jul 29^th, 2020 at 2:20pm: So Marlinguy I’m not sure why you tagged my earlier comment as a segue to your commentary. Was there a point that I’m missing here ? In general I would have to subscribe to your opinions on Pope almost entirely. My point was only to illuminate the fact that, as this thread so obviously displays, Mr. Pope’s history is illusive, incomplete, and therefore leaves enough gaps for some speculation. And especially, there are strong feelings on this subject by any number of the members. Regards Rick Rick, my first sentence of my reply should answer why I tagged your reply. I doubt anyone today has an ax to grind with HM Pope, or his history. No harm meant. Just wanted to elaborate on this. And I didn’t interpret your commentary as anything but informative. The phrase ‘ axe to grind ‘ could well mean something different to some folks. I know what I meant but somebody else may take it different. Regards


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1300 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Another Pope question Reply #108 - Jul 29^th, 2020 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jul 29^th, 2020 at 6:04pm: There's a very good chance Pope and Maxim met, as Harry did not leave his uncle's business until well into the 1890's. In 1894 his uncle sent him to Europe to investigate the automobile business, and send home info to Albert on how the business was done. About a year or so later Pope's one man operation at home had gotten so busy he left his uncle's business, and made barrel making a full time job. Looks like Maxim could have basically been Pope's replacement. This is from his wikipedia page. Quote: In early 1895, Maxim visited Colonel Albert Pope in Hartford which led to his being hired for the Motor Vehicle Division of the Pope Manufacturing Company. His vehicle was not ready in time for the Times-Herald race in November, but Maxim was able to get to Chicago and serve as an umpire. He rode with the Morris and Salom entry, the Electrobat II. In 1899, with Maxim at the controls, the Pope Columbia, a gasoline-powered automobile, won the first closed-circuit automobile race in the U.S. at Branford, Connecticut. Columbia continued to produce gasoline cars until 1913, and was also a major manufacturer of early electric automobiles and trucks I thought there might have been an MIT connection, but Pope was there in 81 and Maxim graduated in 86, so not likely. But with that as a common background, as well as Firearms, it does not take much speculation to think they probably exchanged some ideas.


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Another Pope question Reply #109 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 9:41am	Print Post
	Pope and Maxum did work briefly together on the Pope motorcar. There was a photo of them together in an article that was in the Journal on Popes automotive pattens. I have read that when Pope was sent to Europe to investigate auto design there he took his rifle and did shoot in some matches. 40 Rod


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #110 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Go to the below link and scroll down to: THE STORY OF HARRY POPE By John Scofield, from The American Rifleman, June, 1941. These are Harry Pope's own words and some of you might be interested in what he had to say on his own behalf. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18027 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #111 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 11:29am	Print Post
	I found this to be a strange statement? "But then there was a chance for a special course at M. I. T. and I took it; that was the class of ’81, when I was 20. My relatives were not affluent, and it was too fine a chance to miss after working in a shop for several years. But it did curtail shooting for a time.” By the standards of that time Pope's uncle Albert was indeed affluent, so not sure why he'd say otherwise? And at the beginning of the treatise the author calls Albert Pope's "cousin"? Later he describes him as his father's uncle, which is correct. I didn't ever hear of Pope's sister dying young? Things I've read mentioned Albert having adopted both Harry and his sister? That's new to me, but explains why we don't hear anything about her later.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #112 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 11:51am	Print Post
	Seldom has supporting a family his Wife and his Son been mentioned in other articles that I have read over the years about his life. This has cleared up a few things for myself I thought he worked for Sidle in LA and that was diffently incorrect.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #113 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	Another good read at the link below and all though it sounds like the same as all of the rest there are new tidbits not being known before. There has been talk in regards to him not having a degree and it clearly states In 1881 he graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology with an engineering degree. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18027 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #114 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 12:09pm: Another good read at the link below and all though it sounds like the same as all of the rest there are new tidbits not being known before. There has been talk in regards to him not having a degree and it clearly states In 1881 he graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology with an engineering degree. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) The do clearly state he had a degree, but MIT records state differently. He simply completed a course in engineering there according to MIT records. I think this is another writer tweaking the fact he completed a course vs. completed enough courses to have a degree and be an Engineer. I wonder about the author's claim of Pope turning out "over 8,000 barrels" by 1934 as he states? It seems an impossible task, even if you add in those done at Stevens where he likely only oversaw others doing the work? Since Pope's own estimate of time often states at least a week for each barrel, and some twice that time; it's tough to imagine any way he could have reached 8,000 by 1934! At even one a week working 52 weeks a year, that over 150 year's work!
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #115 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 1:04pm	Print Post
	Taking into account all of the barrels that he made both rifle and pistol and those for the olympic and military teams 8000 might not seem to be that out of line? We tend to only think about those that were used in the Schuetzen shooting sport. If we can't take what has been written from someones research who was very reliable at the time. Well I guess there is no use in believing what anyone writes. This is not meant to be derogatory in the least bit. But if we can't take the words from those who make a living as authors who have done their own research. Who can we then turn to when trying to research the past.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3958 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Another Pope question Reply #116 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	If we use that guideline that assumes the printed word it truthful and valid, then the National Inquirereis as trustworthy as the bible. Get real, authors have made mistakes, and trumped up BS longer than the printing press has been around.


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ssmann Junior Member Offline Posts: 58 Location: Buhler, Ks Joined: Jan 9^th, 2016	Re: Another Pope question Reply #117 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	H M Pope family info: His first wife was Rose [O'Mara] who passed away in 1927, later he was married to Anna Grimes who passed away in 1947. He had five children: a daughter Agnes [Flannery] who died in 1961; four sons: Lawrence who died in 1964, Joe & Allen who both died in 1969, & Charles who died in 1975.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #118 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	I personally haven't found the National Enquire directly involved in any of my own research about Pope. Vall is this something that you might have came across while you were doing your own?

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Another Pope question Reply #119 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 6:05pm	Print Post
	Ssmann that is indeed correct based on his obituary as was written in the below link. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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