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Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:58pm
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I posted this rifle elsewhere in an attempt to find out who the gunmaker was, but because of no other markings we could only identify the barrel maker of "MM" as Max Moeller. Thought I would share it here. In Volume 2 of "Alte Scheibenwaffen" this type of adjustable butt plate was said to be pretty uncommon. One was featured in that volume.
  

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Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:59pm
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 12:42am
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Nice looking rifle. Can't say that I've seen one with the take down lever on the right rather than the left but I've seen a lot where someone tried to rotate it more than the 90 degrees usually required.
  
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Re: .22 Schützen Rifle
Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 7:23am
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A similar rifle is listed in Alte Scheibenwaffen, Volume 3 on pages 46 and 47. The caption on page 46 says ...

Made by J.G. Anschutz and has their stamp on the side of the action. This seems to have been a popular design as the editor has seen quite a number of these. Anschutz referrd to this in his catalog as a "Germania Block". In a 1931 Kommer Catalog it is called a System Tanner.

Most Scheiben schuetzen rifles I have seen have a color case-hardened finish on the receiver. Your rifle may have been refinished and blued and any gunmaker ID marks polished off.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 7:44am
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@ oneatatime; yes, a takedown lever on the right side is odd, and unfortunately many finishes have been damaged by improper turning. As presented it is in the indent, and you just have to turn it CCW 45° to withdraw it. This rifle I just picked up also had it's finish buggered.

@Joe Do; that rifle is a Zimmerstutzen but is similar, especially the trigger block. I can see no signs of it being refinished but will look more closely. I agree about the case hardening. Here is an unfired Anschütz in 8.15 x 46R I just picked up.
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 8:10am
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Whoa! ... very nice. It's great to find high condition "survivors". You have a very nice collection.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 11:26am
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If you see any more like that lying around please pick me one up too;-)
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 8:31pm
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Thanks gentlemen! Both the Keilerbüchse and Schützen were apparently brought home by the same veteran. He must have mounted the Unertl blocks to scope and shoot it, but left the Anschütz one alone.

As for the case-hardened finish, other German Kleinkaliber Büchsen of the era (like the Haenel and FL examples) did not have such a finish. Just a dark deep blue.

Elsewhere it was pointed out to me that the rifle might have been assembled in the early post-war era, hence the absence of either proof of maker marks (other than the barrel). The "fuzzy" checkering, also pointed out to me, might also be a sign. A rear sling swivel has never been attached, which is also an indicator.
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 8:46pm
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Here is another Keilerbüchse in 8.15 x 46R I purchased recently. A couple of German gentlemen informed that these rifles were made for boar hunting matches. This one was missing both sights, but someone mounted a Vaver sight, a sight I have never encountered before. In my rather short time of single shot rifle interest.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2020 at 10:09am
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Those Vaver sights are very high quality, and rarer than a lot of rare guns! I sure don't see them very often.
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:33am
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I took both rifles out to the range, and the Vaver sight was easy to use. After a test shot at 50, it only took me 4 rounds to get a perfect zero at 100. 

Here is some additional info on the 2 above.
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Reply #11 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 12:12pm
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My Buechel Meister has the projecting pin and I don't know what it does either!
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Reply #12 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:09pm
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I have a Mëister also,took it to the range today, 8am to 10am no wind to speak of after that the temp went up so did the wind, finally packed it in about noon. Took along my Frohn also alternated between the two due to the temperature. The pin holds the block to the rear of the mortise as the block raises it would cam any stubborn cartridge in. This is just an opinion.
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2020 at 12:18pm
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Very charming rifles! 
Unfortunately the manufacturers have since moved away from building what I consider to be one of a kind family heirlooms to be handed down. The wood alone can seperate one from the next and what makee each one very unique.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 25th, 2020 at 1:58pm
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yamoon wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:09pm:
I have a Mëister also...
The pin holds the block to the rear of the mortise as the block raises it would cam any stubborn cartridge in. This is just an opinion.
Mike

I also have a Buchel Meister and that would be my assessment of the pin's purpose as well.

By the way, while most American single shot target rifles have only front and tang sights -- take special note of JägerWilhelm's pictures up above which show a mid-barrel sight AND a tang sight both mounted on the rifle at the same time.

I had asked about "that odd setup" recently on the German Gun Collectors Forum and the answers I got surprised me:

* I was told the Germans would first sight-in their rifles using the mid-barrel and front sights -- and then the rear tang sight was sighted to co-align with the mid-barrel sight -- and it's only purpose was to "sharpen the image" of the mid-barrel sight.

* Posters told me that German matches could allow all 3 sights; or some would allow only 2 sights, but typically those were "No tang sight" (and mid-barrel and front sights only) which I found pretty amazing.

I have a Buchel Meister and a Haenel KK Sport (.22) and they both have the tang sights -- but no mid-barrel sights.

The way I was raised, shooting High & Low Walls, or Sharps with my late Dad, I'd much rather have the tang sights than the mid-barrel sights any day -- and I don't think my German rifles are less accurate that way, as it's what I'm used to and expect to see.

Hope this is helpful or interesting.

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