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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	30/30 165 gr plain base load May 23^rd, 2020 at 10:16pm	Print Post
	Loading some fixed 30/30 with 165 gr plain base bullet. Lot of gas check data with 15 grs 4759 1600 + fps. Seems too fast for plain base .30. Thinking about 12 grs. Matterns book has a 12 G load at 1350 Any advise ? Boats


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1752 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2020 at 9:11am	Print Post
	Look up Unique loads. beltfed/arnie


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3560 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2020 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Boats, I doubt that using the traditional loads for a .32-40 and that bullet would cause any trouble. Might even be just 'bout what you seek.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3864 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2020 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	Boats, in my 30-30 with 170 grain bullets I found 14 grains of H4227 or 16 grains of H4198 (1432 fps) to shoot near MOA 10 shot groups at 200 using Federal LP Match primers.


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colo native Oldtimer Offline Posts: 760 Location: Barren Ridge, Va Joined: Dec 27^th, 2007	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2020 at 8:04pm	Print Post
	Boats, 10 gr uniq for 165 hard cast, and my favorite 115 gr hard cast- was 11 gr uniq, for yotes in an old src 94....both with a good roll crimp...large pistol primers for both.. good luck.M


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #5 - May 24^th, 2020 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	Thanks all think I will load up Unique 4227 & 4759. Have to fire form cases & get some basic sight settings for a 1955 24 inch Marlin 336 not micro grove. See what velocity and case expansion each produces. Want to run it on cast. Ideal would be neck size only and still cycle. Boats


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1752 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #6 - May 24^th, 2020 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	boats, You probably know that on that first fireforming you want 'the bullets seated out to a Snug crush fit into the throat to get the best headspacing more on the shoulder. beltfed/arnie


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3864 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #7 - May 25^th, 2020 at 12:42am	Print Post
	Boats, those loads were for my '94 and the brass has only ever been neck sized.


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DocRock Participating Member Offline Posts: 49 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2020	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #8 - May 25^th, 2020 at 3:00am	Print Post
	15 grs 4227 should be perfect. I like to load plain base with a tiny dab of BP lube holding a .310 card wad in place just protect the base during lift-off.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #9 - May 25^th, 2020 at 6:46am	Print Post
	Not telling you guys anything you don’t already know but for the new cast shooters. Factory dies oversize brass. Appropriate for dozen hunting loads per year, function cold wet dirty important. Neck sizing much easier on the brass and lets you tailor fit to your bullet. 90% of my shooting is with fixed 38/55 and 32/40 in a CPA formed from the original lot of 500 38/55 WW brass. Lost count of how many times the brass has been loaded, its a lot . Still running fine. Only neck sized. On target very near breech seating performance. Levers bit different have to cycle & stand up to the Magazine spring. One Unexpected issue is several lots of brass, optional neck size bushing often different one to another. Be better to run all same lot. 30/30 easy to do. 25/20 take what you can get. In my experience 32/20 to 25/20 difficult forming job. Looks easy its not. Boats


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gewehrfreund Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 435 Location: Cortland Joined: Jan 24^th, 2005	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #10 - May 25^th, 2020 at 8:13am	Print Post
	A case full of Trail Boss or the measured equivalent should be close to what you're trying to achieve.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #11 - May 25^th, 2020 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	Trail Boss is a viable option. Problem is don’t have any on hand. Gun shop I use, Green Top Ashland VA, is Almost WalMart size. Guns and supplies considered essential by Virginia. Limited to 10 customers at a time. Lines are something to see. Wait hours they could be out of Trailboss when you get in the door. Boats.


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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #12 - May 25^th, 2020 at 1:41pm	Print Post
	Boats, Ive got a 32 special in a 1936 Marlin and it likes 10 grains of Unique with a 165 grain FN. And for a little more Omph, 25 grains of Accurate 2495. Both shoot 1.5 t0 2 inch at 100 and not much different at 200.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #13 - May 25^th, 2020 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	Reloads I use in 94 Winchester for Lever Action Matches out to 500m ... 30-30 Ideal 311291/30gr 3031 30-30 Ideal 311467/28.8gr 3031 30-30 Ideal 311413/29gr 3031 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Barrabruce Junior Member Offline Posts: 71 Location: Australia Joined: Mar 30^th, 2017	Re: 30/30 165 gr plain base load Reply #14 - May 26^th, 2020 at 3:44am	Print Post
	I use a 308403 clone Pope mould or a seaco 315 Pb clone. Or 308241 ideal Pb Dip lubed in 50/50 bess wax/vas as cast. 50/50 ww/ Pb. Or softer. @4.5 grns bulleye with a small pea of Dacron if needed. When the groups start to open up again or it cracks I back off a bit. Seated out to engrave lands or throat. Light tension in case neck of partially necked size cases. Works for me. To 300 metres I think the max is 8 grns but you would have to check that out. 1.1-2" at 100 yards. Hand span at 300 on a good day if I can close my eyes ,shake and jerk the trigger in co-ordination with the Jumping around pesky target.
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