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How much does 20:1 alloy weigh
May 6th, 2020 at 1:40pm
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I was wondering how much I need to shorten a 0.370 diameter bullet to reduce the weight by 25 grains but I have no idea what lead weights.   Undecided  Tom
  
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Re: How much does 20:1 alloy weigh
Reply #1 - May 6th, 2020 at 2:07pm
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Shorten a bit more than .081, maybe .083-.084.
  
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Reply #2 - May 6th, 2020 at 2:15pm
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Tom the best way to do it is take one of those bullets and start filing it off the back end until you reach the final weight that you want. That will provide with a more exacting length and what you need to shorten your bullet mould too.
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Reply #3 - May 6th, 2020 at 11:34pm
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Tom, Think the magic number for 20:1 alloy is 2831 grains per cubic inch or pretty close.
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Reply #4 - May 7th, 2020 at 11:11am
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cut and weigh to be sure   art
  
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Reply #5 - May 7th, 2020 at 1:18pm
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A .370 dia. cylinder, .082" long would weigh 25 grains in  20:1.
Almost exactly what oneatatime said. Just have to keep tabs on him  Grin 
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Re: How much does 20:1 alloy weigh
Reply #6 - May 7th, 2020 at 1:54pm
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What is the weight per cubic inch of 30:1?
  

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Reply #7 - May 7th, 2020 at 4:34pm
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Art I am with you and it would have already been done long ago. But we all have or own ways of approaching such things and that is what makes us all so very unique.
  

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Re: How much does 20:1 alloy weigh
Reply #8 - May 9th, 2020 at 7:07am
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The specific gravity of bullet alloy, or any other solid, is easily done. A scale/beam balance, some water, a cup, thread and a sample will do it.
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BULLET ALLOY SPECIFIC GRAVITY

     Cast bullet shooters are sometimes interested in the composition and hardness of bullet alloys. Precise assays of these alloys are expensive, and individual shooters seldom want to know enough to pay for the test. Hardness of bullet alloys can be measured with hardness testers that are available from LBT, Saeco and Lee. 
     I don't have a hardness tester, and have used the Specific Gravity of alloys to estimate the composition and hardness of those alloys. This isn't precise, but it's close enough for me.
     My records of weights of 311299 bullets shows the weight varying from an average of 208.8 grains (wheelweights) down to 197.8 grains (wheelweights with foundry type added). This is a difference of about 5% in weight and specific gravity, and this difference of 5% is a great difference in percentage of tin or antimony and in hardness. Keeping track of weights of bullets in different alloys is one way to estimate the hardness of the alloy. Measuring the specific gravity is another.      
     The Specific Gravity of a material is the ratio of that material's density to the density of water. If a quart of material K weighs twice as much as a quart of water, the Specific Gravity of material K is 2. If a cubic inch of metal L weighs eleven times as much as a cubic inch of water, the Specific Gravity of metal L is 11. For lead-tin-antimony alloys, as the specific gravity goes down the hardness goes up.  If there are other metals such as gold or silver or zinc or arsenic or cadmium or copper, we'll never know by calculating the Specific Gravity; but if it casts good bullets it probably doesn't have much of anything exotic in the alloy.
Specific Gravity
Weight of sample (bullet) in air
minus   Weight of sample in water
equals   Weight of the water displaced by the sample 

Weight of sample (bullet) in air
divided by      Weight of the water displaced by the sample 
equals            Specific Gravity of the sample 

     To measure the Specific gravity of an alloy we need a sample of the alloy-a bullet works fine, a scale, a glass, some water and a piece of thread.
     Here's the scale up in the air with a bullet suspended by a thread from the pan holder. Just hanging there. The bullet with thread weighs 434.5 grains.










Here's the bullet in a glass of water, not touching the sides or bottom of the glass. Just hanging there. The bullet and thread weigh 395.6 grains in the water. 
     We can safely forget the weight and volume of the thread.


Weight of sample (bullet) in air                  434.5 grains
     minus   
Weight of sample in water                        395.6 grains
     equals   
Weight of the water displaced by the sample      38.9 grains (Eureka!)

Weight of sample (bullet) in air                  434.5 grains
     divided by      
Weight of the water displaced by the sample      38.9 grains
     equals            
Specific Gravity of the sample                   11.17      
  
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Re: How much does 20:1 alloy weigh
Reply #9 - May 9th, 2020 at 12:46pm
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This seems like confinement from covid19 driven stuff. So, to join in I currently have 43 bullets hanging by a thread. In water, that is. I'd have more but we ran out of glasses and coffee cups. 
I would like to ask why do you wish to lose precisely 25 grains of bullet weight? I can understand shorter, but not lighter goals to be a more typical project if you have a bullet that's proven to be longer than your rifle can shoot- but a specific amount of weight is mystifying me. How did you determine that amount?
  
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Reply #10 - May 9th, 2020 at 1:26pm
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Tom hopefully you already have it done by now and if so how did the end result turn out for you.
  

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Re: How much does 20:1 alloy weigh
Reply #11 - May 9th, 2020 at 6:08pm
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I am looking at ordering a mold from Accurate  and the one I was looking at needed to shed 25 grains give or take to meet my needs.  By shortening the base by 0.80 and the nose 0.02 or so I will be close enough to what I am looking for.  Thanks to all who chimed in. As always, somebody knows almost instantly the solution to my problems!  Tom
  
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Reply #12 - May 9th, 2020 at 10:55pm
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fair enough. hope it shoots good when you get it.
  
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