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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1188 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seater Reply #60 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 12:38am	Print Post
	rkba2nd The person who made that stirrup seater left the range some years ago. He only made one short run of them. He said they were too much trouble to make. oneatatime ". . . that hardware? " you outta see my really heavy rifle
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	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seater Reply #61 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 10:16am	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Apr 28^th, 2020 at 11:45pm: Now there is an offhand Ballard for you Joe. Think you could get it high enough up in the air at Spokane? For 20 shots? Jack No problem.

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1188 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seater Reply #62 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Hey Joe - that's a clear case of yours being bigger than mine

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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1013 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: Breech Seater Reply #63 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	Russ Weber made this breech seater for my Ballard.

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1188 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seater Reply #64 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	Kurt_701 Russ made quality tools and was a great guy. He is missed. Back some years ago at an ISSA Schuetzenfest, Russ borrowed the seater in my picture (it was made by George McCluney) for a couple hours so he could take measurements. Your Weber tool is Russ' interpretation of the tool made by McCluney. I would say Russ did added his unique twist on a few details. You have an excellent tool and I'll bet you are familiar with how well a stirrup seater works..

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2229 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Breech Seater Reply #65 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	My version of a Ballard breech seater using some ideas already posted. Hooks on the shoulder and uses a link instead of the ball joint. Chuck


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Breech Seater Reply #66 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	RSW wrote on Apr 29^th, 2020 at 11:10am: Hey Joe - that's a clear case of yours being bigger than mine Randy, the screen held long enough for the picture. Thinking about trying breech seated loads in my 38-55 with the new Accurate Molds bullet. Shoots extremely well with 43 gr Swiss 1 1/2 fixed. Breech seats easily using my old push seater and plugged case. Alloy is about 40-1. Bullet is groove diameter at the base. If using 20-1 perty sure would have to have a mechanical seater.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1923 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Breech Seater Reply #67 - Apr 29^th, 2020 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the reply Randy, I need a good breech seater for a Tapered Hoch bullet ina 34-47 Hubalek Ballard. If all else fails, I will just keep tapping them in!!! Krag

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RJ-35-40 Full Member Offline Posts: 146 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: Breech Seater Reply #68 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 7:50am	Print Post
	I am new to breach seating so please go easy. From some of the pictures I see of the 'plugged cases' the "plug" extends past the end of the case. So how is it there isn't a gap between the base of the bullet after it is seated well into the rifling and the charged case (even if full)..? TIA Bob in St Augustine oneatatime wrote on Apr 26^th, 2020 at 7:53pm: GWarden, here's my adjustable plugged case. Using the KISS principle a found a scrap nickle plated brass rod that was a good fit in the neck of one of my fired 32-40 cases. I drilled and tapped one end for a machine screw. The screw end was slipped in the case with the screw resting on the empty primer pocket and the rod was cut to leave about .060 protruding with the screw turned in quite a bit and the corners were rounded off slightly. I can vary the seating depth by simply turning the screw in or out. I put a blob of clay on the screw to give tension to the setting. Since the case is not primed there is little chance of trying to fire it and a small screwdriver slipped in the hole will push the rod out if it decides to get sticky. This worked out so well and was so easy that I am making one for my 38-50. This one will use a 3/8 inch aluminum rod in the case. Both my 32 and 38 bullets are tapered Pope style Hochs and seat very easily. My barrels are chambered for fixed bullets.


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: Breech Seater Reply #69 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 10:31am	Print Post
	There is a gap. It just isn't a big deal. We are not muzzle loading. The case isn't full of powder.


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RJ-35-40 Full Member Offline Posts: 146 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: Breech Seater Reply #70 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	.25Bore OK, thanks for the reply... I thought any gap could cause a ringed chamber.. Learning every day Quarter_Bore wrote on Apr 30^th, 2020 at 10:31am: There is a gap. It just isn't a big deal. We are not muzzle loading. The case isn't full of powder.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Breech Seater Reply #71 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 3:59pm	Print Post
	Typically a ringed chamber can be caused by placing a wad hard down on the powder. Best practice is to leave the wad at least 200 thousands off of the powder. Depending on the case being used if you don't need a wad to hold the powder in the case to keep it from spilling. There is no need to use a wad and more times than not the accuracy is better if you don't have to use one.

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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1004 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Breech Seater Reply #72 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 11:00pm	Print Post
	Just a question. My BS load in my 40-65 is a case near full ( 65gr Wano 2F ) and a floral 1/4"floral foam plug in the case mouth to stop the powder spilling out. From all I have read it would seem that a wad under the bullet is a good idea to stop damage the the bullets base during ignition, so with my BS loads I put a thin card wad in the breech seater when seating the bullet to protect the base. I notice when reading others loading procedures that some use no wad at all, yet achieve excellent accuracy. My question is, perhaps I'm wasting my time with the wad under the bullet if it's not really required. Mike.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Breech Seater Reply #73 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 11:46pm	Print Post
	I always used wads under BP but never under smokeless other than floral foam or pipe insulation to keep the powder in premeasured cases.

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RJ-35-40 Full Member Offline Posts: 146 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: Breech Seater Reply #74 - May 1^st, 2020 at 8:43am	Print Post
	"J" Were you referring to Black Powder or smokeless..? It's my understanding that when using black powder either a case full or some sort of material to top off the black is required such as kapoc or cotton or .... JLouis wrote on Apr 30^th, 2020 at 3:59pm: Typically a ringed chamber can be caused by placing a wad hard down on the powder. Best practice is to leave the wad at least 200 thousands off of the powder. Depending on the case being used if you don't need a wad to hold the powder in the case to keep it from spilling. There is no need to use a wad and more times than not the accuracy is better if you don't have to use one.


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