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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 542 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Intriguing Rolling Block Apr 21^st, 2020 at 9:11am	Print Post
	Has anyone seen one of these before ? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #1 - Apr 21^st, 2020 at 9:26am	Print Post
	Yes, but I'd be surprised if it was made by Westly-Richards. Likely it's a Danish Carl Gustaf and maybe imported by Westly-Richards. I have the same identical Rolling Block shotgun and mine is Danish Carl Gustaf marked.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #2 - Apr 21^st, 2020 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	What is the ammo? Shotshell? Slug? Roundball?

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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 542 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #3 - Apr 21^st, 2020 at 7:00pm	Print Post
	It's in an auction. The link is in the original post.


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freebird Full Member Online Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #4 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 1:37am	Print Post
	This was originally a Westley Richards made "Papal" rolling block (see p 101 of G. Layman book on military RB) Obviously modified as a shotgun, which is a shame. Thank you for the heads-up Chauncey


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #5 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 10:15am	Print Post
	freebird wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 1:37am: This was originally a Westley Richards made "Papal" rolling block (see p 101 of G. Layman book on military RB) Obviously modified as a shotgun, which is a shame. Thank you for the heads-up Chauncey Interesting info. The Carl Gustaf versions were made new as shotguns, and not reworks.

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freebird Full Member Online Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #6 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 11:30am	Print Post
	Actually, both exists. Many old Swedish 1867 RB, originally 12.7x44R, RF if military, CF when used for civilian shooting, were converted into shotguns. That's how you find Carl Gustav shotguns, as I'm not sure they ever made original shotguns (being a state arsenal). But I might be totally wrong on that one. Husqvarna on the other hand made both military rifle under state contract, and original shotguns (and various hunting rifles like the model 33) Many of these have one of a kind receiver (not modified military ones), with enlarged rolling breech to cope with the 16 ad 12 gauge cartridges. Some shotguns are rifled, mainly with straight rifling, due to a law that made it mandatory to shoot moose with a rifle, and many hunter did not want tp have to buya a second gun to shoot fowl... Many Danish miitary RB (in 11.5x56R or similar) were also sporsterised and turned into shotguns, many of them called "seal guns" and used in Greenland on fishing boat to kill seals when they were caught in fishing nets.


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #7 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 11:30am	Print Post
	Carl-Gustaff is Swedisn, not Danish. Fred


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freebird Full Member Online Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #8 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 11:37am	Print Post
	that's what I said above Fred. Sorry if I was not clear.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #9 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	The Carl Gustaf versions were not reworks of #1 military, nor were they even the same action as a #1 military. I have seen reworked #1 Rolling Blocks made into shotguns by both Carl Gustaf, and Husqvarna, but my shotgun is a rounded, and different shaped action. Not even sure if hammer and breech block on mine would interchange with a #1 action? My shotgun also has a nickeled receiver that is original, not done later.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #10 - Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	Fred Boulton wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2020 at 11:30am: Carl-Gustaff is Swedisn, not Danish. Fred Yes, my mistake.

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freebird Full Member Online Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #11 - Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 1:31am	Print Post
	Marlinguy, interesting that you have a Carl Gustav made RB shotgun. I admit I assumed that CG, being a state factory, did not make civilian weapons. I'll dig a bit further. Have you posted a picture of your gun somewhere here?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #12 - Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 10:25am	Print Post
	No, I haven't posted a picture. But both factories in Sweden built other than military firearms. Although Husqvarna was far more prevalent in building civilian arms. My guess was these shotguns built at CG were for what Sweden called "Forresters", their version of game wardens. That's what most of the factory converted shotguns were made for, and later sold to the public.

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craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2050 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #13 - Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 10:38am	Print Post
	Not necessarily for this maker or gun, but looking up ‘retailed by Westley Richards’, would probably give an idea of what’s going on. Their extent of involvement with the manufacture of this rolling block may(?) be no more than stamping their logo on it. They retailed many well known US firearms.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #14 - Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 11:26am	Print Post
	craigd wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 10:38am: Not necessarily for this maker or gun, but looking up ‘retailed by Westley Richards’, would probably give an idea of what’s going on. Their extent of involvement with the manufacture of this rolling block may(?) be no more than stamping their logo on it. They retailed many well known US firearms. That was pretty common for several large British gun makers. Rigby did the same with almost everything he imported from other countries.

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freebird Full Member Online Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #15 - Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	as for the Westley Richard "Papal" Rolling Block, the general consensus so far is that they actually built thlm under licence (there is mention of a licence in E. Remington salesman letters for Europe at the time) There is also strong indication that the quality of craftsmanshift was very poor and that gunsmiths from Belgium (Nagant?) were sent to the Vatican to repair the guns and make them servicable...


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craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2050 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Intriguing Rolling Block Reply #16 - Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	Thanks free bird, I see that now in one of the Marcot books.


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