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Casting with an old Ideal .32-40 tong tool
Mar 28th, 2020 at 7:15pm
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I was casting today and just for fun tried out the integral mold on a 100+ year old Ideal hand tool. It took a while to get up to good casting temp due to the steel mass. But once it warmed up to it dropped beautiful bullets. With 96/3/1 alloy, they came out at .322"-.3225" diameter and 163gr.  Got some loaded up and ready for the range. Ol Mr. Barlow knew what he was doing when he designed this tool Smiley
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 7:23pm
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I've got numerous old Ideal, and Marlin marked Ideal molds that I still use to cast bullets. If they're in good shape they cast great bullets. Only issue I've found is the handles can get pretty toasty over a long casting session.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 8:01pm
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They do get hot and the bigger the bullet, the quicker they heat up. I use my tong tool molds in the winter when I want to work in my shop. I turn the shop heater on and fire up the propane burner I use to heat lead up with. When the lead melts, I cast 50 or 75 bullets (using a welding glove on my left hand). By then the shop is warm, I shut the casting down and do whatever machine work is on the plate for the day. The bullet casting helps heat up the shop about twice as fast. Only downside, I've got more bullets cast up than I'll ever shoot.
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 8:12pm
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Yes, the handles do get hot. I used a really good quality Hobart welding gloves. My hand never even got warm. They are worth the money.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 11:35pm
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I found years ago(late 60s) when Ideal tool/moulds were sometimes the only thing available for casting bullets and loading cartridges, thick rubber hose available in most well stocked hardware stores worked well insulating ones hand from the handles. I still wore gloves, and the hose kept a better grip on the tool.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2020 at 1:34pm
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kootne wrote on Mar 28th, 2020 at 8:01pm:
They do get hot and the bigger the bullet, the quicker they heat up. I use my tong tool molds in the winter when I want to work in my shop. I turn the shop heater on and fire up the propane burner I use to heat lead up with. When the lead melts, I cast 50 or 75 bullets (using a welding glove on my left hand). By then the shop is warm, I shut the casting down and do whatever machine work is on the plate for the day. The bullet casting helps heat up the shop about twice as fast. Only downside, I've got more bullets cast up than I'll ever shoot.


Not a problem, Kootne.  Just send them all to me for disposal.  No need to thank me, I’m glad to help out!  Cheesy

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Reply #6 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 3:28am
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Looks like a 165 grain bullet from your mold. I have te same one and that bullet looks identical to the ones I got when I cast a few just to see what I ended up with. Started out with a set of no name welders gloves and the handles did get very uncomfortable. Swapped over to a set of Hobart welding gloves. I've seen one such mold modified to take wood handles looks like bubba done dood it. Frank
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 6:32am
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Black & orange Hobart welding gloves- that's what I use too. I've had a couple cheap pairs from Harbor Freight, but these are MUCH better and well worth the extra cost. 

This old tool does cast a fine bullet. I can imagine a fellow back 100 years ago. Sitting next to a wood stove with a small lead pot, slowly casting enough bullets for the upcoming hunting season. Life was a lot simpler back then  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 10:14am
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I have an early Ideal tool in .45-90 with the most beautiful pair of period stiched-on thick leather handle covers.  I took the tool to Friendship many years ago and several "buckskinners" opined that the leather was buffalo and that the "thread" was sinew.  Thereafter, I always liked to imagine one of the last buffalo runners busily casting and reloading after a good day's hunt.  Ah, romance takes many forms!

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Reply #9 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 10:59am
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Nice looking bullet and a design I have found to shoot extremely well. 
Thanks for sharing I believe it's the first I have seen being cast from an Ideal Tong tool.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 12:16pm
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I tried wearing my heavy welding gloves, but it's just too restricting and awkward to wear and work in. I can't hardly stand wearing them when I weld, so they're in brand new condition still after a decade or more.
I have one old Marlin Firearms Co. marked Ideal mold from the period Marlin owned Ideal, and some clever guy carefully covered the handles in leather with a nicely stitched seam up the inside of the handles. They work excellent, and I'd put them on my others if I didn't want to keep the original finish on them. I've always wondered what the handles look like under that leather after all the decades the leather has been on them?
  

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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 12:55pm
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Try using an OveGlove it's all I have used for years. They are very comfortable and fit so well that I can pick up my bullets and place them into the order as cast. While still waiting for my sprues to freeze from one bullet to the next. 

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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2020 at 8:28pm
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I have no problem with plain leather work gloves. They handle the heat fine and are flexible enough to handle small pieces.
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 4:17am
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marlinguy wrote on Apr 5th, 2020 at 12:16pm:
  some clever guy carefully covered the handles in leather with a nicely stitched seam up the inside of the handles. They work excellent, and I'd put them on my others if I didn't want to keep the original finish on them. I've always wondered what the handles look like under that leather after all the decades the leather has been on them?
 

Probably depends if there was any salt in the tanning process. 
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 8:36am
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These are the Hobart welding gloves. They have some type of high tech insulation that makes them less bulky than cheap gloves. They work very well. I got them at Northern Tool.
  
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