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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Mar 26^th, 2020 at 9:18am	Print Post
	I bought a Pope-barreled Stevens rifle and tools from a friend approx. 3 yrs ago. He had it at least since 2004 and maybe a few years earlier. The various numbers of my rifle are: Action Serial Number: 9503 Stevens Barrel Number: 6680 Pope Barrel Number: 269 He recently found and sent me a copy of an envelope (maybe card) return-addressed to Robt. L. Dubbs with the typewritten message: Two targets made with the Pope 32-40-33 ten shots on each target 2 1/4 inch circles machine rest. ... and copies of two targets with "Barrel # 6680" written in the outer ring on both. Did any of you own this rifle or know who may have? I am looking for the original card and targets. R.L. Dubbs was a shooter with the Philadelphia Rifle Club listed in Forest & Stream and The American Rifleman articles dating back to 1909-1916. Any help is appreciated ... Joe
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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #1 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 10:37am	Print Post
	Wow!! What a set! I wonder what happened to the original barrel. And where have I seen that re- and decapper before? Bill Lawrence


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #2 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 10:43am	Print Post
	the Re7De Is a Farrow style I think it is a repro there were castings around a few years ago. I think the farrows were nickle plated. 40 Rod


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #3 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 11:17am	Print Post
	Joe, could you clarify something for me? Does the gun have both barrel numbers on it, "6680" and "269"? So I'm guessing Pope rebored, and rifled the original Stevens barrel to the new caliber? Any other Pope markings for twist rate, etc. under the forearm? Beautiful rifle, and shooter's kit!!!!

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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #4 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	That's right Vall ... the original Stevens barrel is stamped .32-40 caliber ... but it is now .33-47 caliber. Pope must have rebored it. The bottom flat is marked: 21 \| 141 269 .


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #5 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 12:35pm	Print Post
	So, again to clarify, is it most likely that Stevens barrel 6680 had already been fitted to Stevens action 9503 before Pope rebored it? Or did Pope often make use of a used barrel, likely left over from a previous project, perhaps to cut a client's costs at least somewhat? Bill Lawrence


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #6 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 12:38pm	Print Post
	My guess is that Pope often made use of a used barrel -or- Stevens barrel no. 6680 got separated from the rest of the rifle and was attached to this action and buttstock in its history.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #7 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	Seems that opening it up to .33 caliber would not be a rebore, as I don't think a rebore would remove the old Stevens rifling? Likely Pope opened up the existing rifling to .33 caliber? Joe, do you have the 2 volume Hartford Pope books? I see your gun listed there on page 250 of Vol. 2 with a little more info.

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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #8 - Mar 26^th, 2020 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Yes, I have the Hartford Pope set but haven't looked at the entry ... ha.


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #9 - Mar 30^th, 2020 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	The face of the receiver is blank, no stamps or numbers whatsoever. Is it possible that the the gunmaker, Pope or otherwise, squared the face of the receiver to the barrel threads?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Robt. L. Dubbs Pope-Stevens rifle ... Reply #10 - Mar 30^th, 2020 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	I can see a faint "O" on the front of the receiver, which is pretty common marking on a Stevens 44.

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