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Lyman Moulds Question
Mar 2nd, 2020 at 2:07pm
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I was told by a fellow at the Las Vegas Antique gun show that the small, three digit numbers on Lyman mould blocks indicate the number of cavities that have been cut with that particular cherry. One of the moulds I just checked has the number 980 on it. That seems like a lot of cavities to cut with one cherry. Was the fellow correct or am I being too skeptical?

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Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 2:48pm
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I have been told, and read some place, that the number is simply to designate the place in line of cherries that one is in. In other words, if a spitzer for .30 caliber was numbered #400 when it entered the chain of cherries, and the next one was a .38 cal. pistol bullet, it would be #401. There may be some discrepancies in the system, but if I heard that, I've forgotten owing to the fact that I won't ever own that many molds. Hope this is clear.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 8:02pm
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Would be like trying to cut 800 + plus chambers to the same demensions using the same chambering reamer.
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 8:25pm
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Well, they are numbered in the order they were designed, or at least chosen to produce. How often number, say #400, had been worn out and replaced is unknown to me. May be unknown to Lyman/Ideal. But, then so do reamers get replaced and still go by the same name and number. So, I don't know what you were sniffing around at John.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 8:35pm
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I think the bullet numbers and the small manufacturing codes are getting mixed.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 9:30pm
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 2nd, 2020 at 8:35pm:
I think the bullet numbers and the small manufacturing codes are getting mixed.


They are two unrelated numbers so they shouldn't get mixed.
I have three fairly common molds with me. The bullet numbers are followed by the 3 digit numbers.

440 (A round ball mold)   836
457193BV (the old 420 gr. flat point) 980
311410BO (the 30 Carbine bullet) 558  It also has "10-12" on it.

If any of you have these molds how do the three digit numbers compare?

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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 1:32am
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The 6 digit numbers (some early ones have only 4 ie 3118, later 311008) are the nominal diameter (311) followed by the design number (8/008), and are only on one of the blocks. The other numbers are on both blocks and are used to keep track of them as a pair throughout the manufacturing process, with no other known significance. Round balls are usually marked only with the diameter, ie 440.
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 7:25am
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This thread just reminded me that I was given a box of scrapped Lyman cherries from the 1980's.  There are about 2 dozen by a quick look.  There are index cards with information as to when they went into service, re-sharpened and why it was scrapped.  Usually due to cutting undersized but sometimes damaged during use.  I think the 2 letters after the number are the toolmakers initials as they are also on the index cards.
There are even some blocks and many have cast bullets in the individual packages to go with the cutter.  They apparently checked the molds in production QC.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 10:09am
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Per the old Handbooks, the first three numbers were the nominal diameter (it got pretty “nominal” indeed during the late ‘50s-early ‘60s), and the next number (or two or three) was the top punch number for the Ideal/Lyman lubrisizer.

The letter codes following the mould numbers that have shown up in more modern moulds since the ‘70s are codes for the manufacturer of the cherries, which aren’t made in-house any more.

Once in a blue moon, a “U” will be seen after the mould number.  This denotes a special order “undersized” mould otherwise of the same design.  The few I’ve accumulated actually cast at closer to the nominal diameter than some of the unmarked ones.  Some will have a “S” denoting “short,” where the long-bullet cherry with many lube grooves was run in shallower to make a lighter bullet.  And sometimes “GP” or “HARVEY” or some other specialty designation will be stamped in small capitals on the mould.  These last are for the Lyman Great Plains rifle and the Harvey Prot-X-Bore bullet designs.

I have one or two with a large “R” stamped on them.  When the Leisure Group took over Lyman, they dumped a bunch of “Rejected” moulds on the market for cheep, with the letter stamped so they could never be returned under warranty.  Again, the couple I bought back then cast as good as any other mould, and better than some of them.

The smaller three numbers on the bottom of the blocks were assembly numbers, to keep the blocks matched as they went through the manufacturing process.

Vbull, a writeup on those cherries, how you got them, and the descriptions on the cards would make an interesting article for the SSR Journal, or the ARTCA Journal, or both.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 12:02pm
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I stand corrected- I think. Isn't there a history of these molds somewhere on the intermuddle? 
I dislike being one that helps to perpetuate misinformation, but I suppose I'm doomed like the rest of us unless I simply shut up, and where's the 'sharing' or fun in that?
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 12:44pm
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This is a handy list: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 12:57pm
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That one is a good one. I use it a lot.  This one has some other info. Good to look at both.

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Reply #12 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 1:10pm
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Oneatatime, thanks for that= it'll be some time getting thru it all, but glad to have it so I can 'relearn' what I thought I had down pat. 
And, CW, that chart has been useful to me for a long time, it's a good one.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 6:33pm
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JS47,
I have the 457193CW cutter.  From the card, it went into service 8/6/84 and looks like it went into production 5 times and sharpened 3 times before being scrapped on 3/4/86
It doesn't show how many molds were produced on each run.  I'll try to attach a photo of the sample information.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 5th, 2020 at 8:41am
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That’s interesting, vbull; about 1-1/2 year service life.  The Marlin flatnose was still a popular number, and still in the catalog, last I looked.  Despite the complaints I hear about Lyman mould diameters On Line, they seemed to have a very tight specification for cast diameters.  I wouldn’t find the final cast diameter unshootable, myself, for a nominal 0.457” diameter.  My Garrett carbine, with its undersized bore, would probably like it.  In the old days, it might be salable as a “U” designation.
  
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