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Stevens Pope rifle coming up at auction
Mar 2nd, 2020 at 11:24am
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Any one looking at this Rifle here's an update from the auction house.
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ME:   Lot #133 in Day 1 of the Rifle Ranch auctions is a Stevens Pope rifle. The last picture in the proxi bid site is a note from 1988 probably from the Rifle Ranch. The note lists several accesories not currently listed on this lot or any where else in the catalogs. These include a scope w/mounts, a measure, a mold, a luber / sizer and a  2nd stock. It would be a shame if they were in the collection but didn't accompany the rifle.


THEM:  SUN 6:33 PM

Most of the items have been found and are in transit to us


Also the rifle was featured on the cover of a 1977 issue of Handloader Magazine

ME:   MON 11:13 AM
Very good !!!


  
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Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 11:46am
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 12:49pm
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Nice that the missing items are going to be added back to the auction. Surely it will change the attraction for bidders with everything included. Would like to see what else beyond the scope and extra stock is actually returned to the auction listing?
Wonder what scope it is, and is it in Pope rings, or using bases on the barrel?
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 2:35pm
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". . . the bore is excellent besides a shallow dark ring approximately 1" from the muzzle . . ."

There's the value.

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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 3:55pm
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I guess when the hammer falls is it's value at that moment and to that bidder. When all the pieces are gathered there may be considerable value added. I am glad to see that it will be a complete outfit again, ring or not.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 6:43pm
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look at the pics but to me it looks like the barrel is cut for pope rings.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2020 at 7:48pm
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You are exactly right about the barrel being cut for Pope scope mounts. If all the "goodies" listed on that note actually come with the rifle, it is an exceptional Pope outfit (even with the ringed barrel).
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 11:42am
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scharfe wrote on Mar 2nd, 2020 at 6:43pm:
look at the pics but to me it looks like the barrel is cut for pope rings.


Yes, and hopefully that means Pope rings on the scope too. But I've seen numerous Pope barrels with the Pope cuts that also had holes for typical scope bases too. So I'd like to know if the scope included has Pope rings or not. It makes a huge difference in the value since Pope scope rings are so rare and valuable too.
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 12:06pm
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Well my message to the auction house worked. description edited :  ***Newly Discovered*** This lot is accompanied by a spare shoulder stock, a powder measurer w/ wall mount, primer seater/removal tool, bullet mold, box of wax sticks, Dupont Superfine FF Gunpowder tin, brass table fixture and oiler bottle. Additionally this rifle was featured on the cover of January-February 1977 issue of Handloader Magazine with most of the accessories listed above. An additional picture was added of the Handloader magazine cover.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 4:07pm
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That update is all well and good, and everything on the Handloader cover seems accounted for.  However, the accompanying handwritten note does mention a scope.  Perhaps it was sold earlier due to the rarity of its presumed Pope mounts.

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Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2020 at 8:27pm
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A little tidbit of info. These "Pope cuts" weren't just found on Pope barrels either. My Schoyen Ballard has the same cuts in it's barrel. I'd guess it might have had a pair of Pope rings once, but really no way to know. Not sure why anyone would put the cuts on a Schoyen rifle if it wasn't to use Pope rings?
But it also has holes and regular bases for scope rings right above the Pope cuts. You can see them just below the base in this picture of my .32-40 Schoyen Ballard:

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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2020 at 7:29am
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The spider attached to the Pope powder measure is a very rare item to find. 

I understand no one wants a ringed-barrel (me included) but I had a Hepburn with a ringed-barrel once and it was crazy accurate.
  
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Joe Do... wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 7:29am:
The spider attached to the Pope powder measure is a very rare item to find. 

I understand no one wants a ringed-barrel (me included) but I had a Hepburn with a ringed-barrel once and it was crazy accurate.


I agree Joe. It really hurts the value, and especially on a gun with a famous maker's name on the barrel. But it may not affect accuracy much, or at all. I've found it depends on where the ring is. The further towards the muzzle it is, the less effect it has on accuracy. The bullet has already reached full velocity if it's near the end, so going across a ring doesn't seem to hurt it's flight. Of course it also depends on the size of the ring.
  

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Re: Stevens Pope rifle coming up at auction
Reply #13 - Mar 5th, 2020 at 8:22am
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How do you know it has a ringed barrel?



CptCurl wrote on Mar 2nd, 2020 at 2:35pm:
". . . the bore is excellent besides a shallow dark ring approximately 1" from the muzzle . . ."

There's the value.

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Reply #14 - Mar 5th, 2020 at 8:47am
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Great question I was thinking the samething as it's the chamber end that typically gets ringed.
  

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