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Anyone Hitek Or PC on thier breech seated bullets
Feb 16th, 2020 at 10:53am
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I have a CPA ordered. This will be my first experience with breech seating.

I have started using Hitek coating on most of my lead bullets. It seems like a great option for breech seating. I would guess a little case lube would make seating easier.

I do not know if it rules mandate a wax lube be used.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 11:06am
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You want to learn how to pan lube and have Gail send you some Javelina Schuetzen Lube with the rifle. It doesn't take much effort to seat a bullet and what you don't want is to have the barrel lead up right out of the gate.
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 11:45am
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JLouis I'm putting you down for a "no" on coating.........
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 12:51pm
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It has never worked for myself and a leaded barrel is not a very rewarding experience. And the right choice of lube plays a big part in achieving the very best in accuracy. I remember when using Moly was a big fade until they realized the more it was used the more the accuracy fell off. And to make matters even worse there was no way to get the moly back out of the bore.
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 1:15pm
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I didn't mean to ruffle feathers here. It's clear the Schuetzen crowd is aganist it and to some degree I agree. I would like to be able to judge my shooting aganist people from the past that used the same equipment.

I have had great success with Hitek coating in lower velocity rifle ( that's all I shoot in lead rifle loads) just wondering if anyone was using it in Schuetzen rifles.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 2:02pm
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I am not against anyone using it just throwing out some cautions to be aware of. Several years back I experimented with rolling bullets in Teflon and all though I didn't get any leading my accuracy decreased instead of increased. I stayed away from trying any Moly it already a bad reputation. I had a friend who dipped his bullets in  liquid Alox. I pan lube a 100 bullets at a time and I couldn't imagine having to dip a 100 each with no accuracy advantage.
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Reply #7 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 5:04pm
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Gard,
  You haven't "ruffled any feathers", and "the Schuetzen crowd" is not against it. I posted the links just so you would know what has already been discussed.  I still haven't heard what the CBA position is; does anyone know? Here is mine:
  Radkins,
  Please calm yourself. Nobody is offended. I just wanted everyone to know where I stand so that somebody doesn't show up for a match with an ammo can full of plastic coated bullets and give me grief because he thought he could use them.
  I and many members of ASSRA are interested in all kinds of experimentation of this sort. I'll be even more interested when the modern benchrest guys start using them.
  What is the CBA position on them?
  Carry on, have fun, good luck, and please keep us posted.

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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 5:26pm
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I shoot Hitek bullets exclusively for USPSA (hand gun action shooting). It is very common at matches because the guns stay cleaner and never any leading.

I just received my CBS magazine today. I was looking through match descriptions and no one was coating bullets.

I follow a lot of threads on PC and Hitek coating. My experience is only with low velocity bullets. I have had great luck with 200+ rounds before cleaning and no accurracy loss. ( I'm generally  just shooting off hand so not a scientific result.)

This is not a fad. People are having great results with high velocity loads.

I mentioned using case lube to breech seat the bullet because I use it for sizing all my bullets now. It greatly reduces the force needed to resize. This has to be a good thing either nose up or down. I would think it would help breech seating if the amount of force to seat is reduced.

Just some of my observations. I will experiment and post the results good or bad.

  
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Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 6:48pm
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To a certain extent you could consider a poly coated bullet similar to a a paper patched bullet. No lube/grooves that will contribute to imbalance, as long as they are coated evenly. Accuracy improvement will still depend on who is doing the casting and coating.

They can take high pressures and velocities to a point. These were tested to find a failure point.  Velocities and estimated pressures noted. I believe I mixed up the 1900 & 1700 bullets. These were shot into ballistic gel. BHN was about 20.
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The other thing that coated bullets prevent is leading of suppressors and muzzle devices. Many indoor ranges will accept them as jacketed allow them if there’s are lead restrictions.

Plenty of plusses and negatives like anything.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 11:48pm
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I wonder if you used soft lead and hollow pointed coated bullets how they would be for hunting? After the two piece bullet discussion it’s got me thinking hunting bullets. 🤪
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2020 at 12:14am
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A lot of deer and hogs have been taken with coated cast hollow points in the 230-240 grain range at sub sonic velocities with 300 Blackout. 20/1 is common, as well as wheel weights.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2020 at 9:01am
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I have played with powder coated bullets in my 30BR with cast bullets and using my suppressor here at the house. Works great and for CBA Matches there allowed, keeps the noise level way down and cant use lube with suppressor. Cheap shooting , but still work to cast,then powder coat,then resize. For all my Schuetzen its pan lube  period. I can cast and lube 200 bullets alot quicker also.....
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 17th, 2020 at 10:07am
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They are legal in the CBA and I have seen a couple of people try them claiming that they shoot great! But in the real world of match shooting the coated bullets just don't shoot that well particularly at 200 yards. 100 yards OK, not match winners but respectable these guys were shooting fixed ammo in Hunter and Production class rifles.
  
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