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Feb 8th, 2020 at 7:43pm
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Is there a way to make a 2 part cast bullet, nose soft for expansion, the rest hard cast for velocity. I would like to hunt with it.
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Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 7:58pm
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Muzzle-loading target shooters used to do this quite frequently by casting the base in one mould, the nose in another, and combining the two parts in a swage.  Unfortunately, I have no idea if anyone produces such an outfit today.

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Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 8:22pm
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now that would be an interesting article for the magazine!
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 8:31pm
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I've used the old Ideal 2 part bullet moulds for hunting and they work well. The tip mould for casting the soft nose (40-1 alloy) are very hard to find. I usually cast the body from hard Lyman #2 alloy. The trick to casting good bullets is to place the tip (carefully) into a hot mould and let it warm up before pouring the body. Give it a go.
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 8:39pm
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I forgot to add that in my experience these bullets work best when they are used at a velocity of 1,400 to 1,500 fps. With a .38/55 bullet weighing 285 gr that's plenty fast enough to pull one of our Fallow or Red deer which is roughly equivalent to you Whitetail & Mule deer.
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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 9:01pm
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Here's some original ads for these Ideal moulds...as I said they are really hard to find. Note the dovetail base that locks the tip into the base.
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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 11:25pm
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Spud   I hunted with the Ideal 375296 in a Winchester Highwall for a long time using a soft mix close to 40-1, but always wished I had the mould to do this. Never did find one, and not for lack of trying. I am thinking that Accurate or NOE might be willing to make up a mould to accomplish this. At the time I had a hard time finding a bullet large enough for the Winchester's .381 groove diameter. Lyman no loger listed the 375296, but after a discussion with someone there, I was told that they still had the cherry and would make up a mould for me. Wonderful customer service. This was in the early 70's. That mould has proved to be very accurate in quite a few 38-55 rifles. We now have many choices that we didn't have back then, or not that I was aware of. My hunting days are over, but would like to work on the project, so that my son will have that option. Give me something else to keep me busy!!!  Krag
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 12:03am
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I recall an article several years ago in the Cast Bullet Asso. Fouling Shot magazine of using two electric melting pots..one filled with pure lead, the other with lino.  The trick was adjusting the pure lead nozzle to drop a quantity of lead to fill nose portion of any type of mould & quickly shifting mould to lino pot for final filling.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 12:05am
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Krag, yes the 375296 is a good match for the .38/55. My mould is also an early Ideal and drops a .381" bullet in Lyman No.2. I size the GC at .382" and it shoots nicely in my 1901 Highwall which also has a .381" groove dia. like yours. The tip mould took years of searching to find and I just happenrd to find one at a gunshow in Sydney!! I agree that Tom at Accurate could probably make something up and I might even go down that road as I've always wanted to try this with a .45/70. Yet another project.....
By the way the same soft point tip also works with the Ideal 374248 (same nose profile)and I use this in a Ballard .38/55.
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Reply #9 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 12:52am
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I believe that Lyman made some 2 bullet part molds some years back. However having said that I don't remember of it was two molds. One casting the nose section and the other you put in the as cast nose section and poured the lead for the rest of the bullet. or one mold where you poured in the lead for the nose,then poured the rest of the lead where the two pieces were bonded together. Frank
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 12:53am
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Thanks spud, good to know about 375248 as I also have that mould, and would be great if a 'tip' mould would work for both. I will contact Tom @ accurate and see what happens. I will let you know as I will inquire about a 45-70 also. I wish it could work around the hollow point Gould mould 457122. It would make a good Elk hunting bullet even better.  Krag
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 1:14am
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Spud  Looking at the 1958 Lyman Handbook of Cast Bullets, they still offered the two part moulds #457194, and 457474, but don,t show any for 38 cal. A long shot, but I will call Lyman out of curiosity.I will keep you apprised.  Krag
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 3:59am
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Thanks Krag, any info would be great. I'll also check out that 1958 handbook ref. This has been one of my long-term pet casting/reloading projects and while the process is fiddly it does yield results in the field. They seem to work just as well as HP cast bullets. I've done a few small displays at gunshows & cartridge collector meets and people seem to be intrigued by this process of creating soft point lead hunting bullets from scratch.
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 9:26am
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Ross Seifreid in Handloader mag wrote an article about exactly this a few years ago. As i recall he put another 
receptacle in his main pot for the second lead supply. He used a single cavity mold   and poured the base 1st with a dipper that held enough to partially filled the mold. He then poured in the balance for the nose.It can be done both ways hard base - soft or soft base - harder nose. Check the Handloader archives.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:34am
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I bet one of those Ideal molds for casting the soft tips is a very rare and highly collectible piece! I've never seen or heard of one before? That's a very neat design.
  

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