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Feb 6th, 2020 at 10:03am
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this is a  couple of pictures of a couple of Farrow 1887 that were made in about 1995
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 2:33am
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Very nice, would love to have one in the guns room
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 8:49am
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If you have the skills and interest I have the casting sets in stock. And a friend has a duplicator and my patterns. Just saying.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 10:33am
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The Farrow is probably the most attractive single shot ever made.
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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 11:13am
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I think so too. It really has the hang of a good muzzleloader. The fellow that wrote the Bullard book, said that Farrow hired one of their stock makers . That is why the early guns are styled nd stocked better that the later guns that Farrow did. Not that he did bad, just the others are nicer.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 8:55pm
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any idea how many rifles Farrow produced?
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 10:35pm
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rodneys wrote on Feb 7th, 2020 at 8:49am:
If you have the skills and interest I have the casting sets in stock. And a friend has a duplicator and my patterns. Just saying.


Probably just barely have the skills, but located out in AUS so getting nice things is now somewhat difficult.. Angry
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 10:54pm
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Were these built from your casting kits?
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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2020 at 11:06pm
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Lee,
   Yes they are from my castings. Regarding the Question on how many were produced. I collected info on Farrow rifles for years and have owned 2. A few do not have serial # the highest number I found was 116 I believe. I even got to examine Farrow’s granddaughters rifle. I will look for the pictures.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 1:33pm
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Thank you Rodney. Did the Granddaughters rifle have any special adornments?
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 1:33pm
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Thank you Rodney. Did the Granddaughters rifle have any special adornments?
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 2:39pm
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bnice wrote on Feb 7th, 2020 at 8:55pm:
any idea how many rifles Farrow produced?


I have been collecting everything I can find on Farrow rifles for several years.  Had a lot of help from the guys on this Forum.  If my counting is correct, I have pics or partial ID on 27 existing original rifles.  The highest SN in my file is 125.  5 of these originals with no marks or numbers at all.  My GUESS is that about 20 % of the original Farrows (Farri?) had no SNs.  If I add 20 % to the highest number I have recorded (125), my guess comes to 150.  

Another guess is that, at best, only about 30 % of the originals have survived.  That implies there are still a few out there.

If you ever use one in an offhand match, you will never be happy with Brand X.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 3:11pm
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Rodney is correct about the 2nd edition of the Bullard book.  The guy who wrote it certainly did a lot of good research.  If you are researching Farrow, the book will be a good investment.   

Farrow was an employee of the Bullard Company for all of calendar year 1884.  Billed as one of the company managers, mainly he was a traveling salesman and promoter.  But he spent enough time at the factory to get to know the men who really made Bullard rifles, the master machinists and stock makers.   

Looking at Farrow's earlier life, he was a watchmaker, skilled with tools, but not a machinist.  After his year with the Bullard Company, he produced his prototype and tested it in April, 1885.

Beginning in January 1885, Bullard could not meet payroll.  They laid off almost everyone.  Farrow was not broke.  He hired Bullard's chief machinist and their head stock maker and then used company machinery to make the first Farrows and what would probably be all of Farrow's buttstocks.  This wasn't sneaking around.  Farrow kept some of the key personnel working until the company could get better financing.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 4:48pm
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How about that. No wonder some Farrow stocks have styling cues that are reminiscent of Bullard single shots.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2020 at 9:11pm
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The other way around.  The stocks for the Bullard single shots were made after the Farrow stocks, so the Bullard stocks resemble the Farrow stocks.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 11:09am
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Thanks Waterman. I had thought that Bullard production may(?) have started a year or two prior to 1885, but I'm not sure. In any case, it's always interesting to me that examples survive and a small handful of folks have the passion to do some research. 

I had corresponded a while back with the Bullard books author. It stuck me as interesting, that there seems to be a similar number of surviving rifles per every estimated one hundred rifles built, that you had seen while recording Farrow rifles.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2020 at 12:51pm
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My info is the Bullard book 2nd Edition and the early editions of the Rifle.  Farrow's prototype appeared a few weeks before the Bullard single shot.  When Farrow was a Bullard employee, he sold repeaters.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2020 at 12:53pm
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Were there any pistol actions made along the lines of the farrow action? Seems like it would be a sweet handling gun if so.
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Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2020 at 7:25pm
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Didn’t Farrow produce some rifles in Morgantown, Wva Ledball
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 4:07am
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I think all of the long actions were made or at least finished in Morgantown, W.Va.  My spin on the Farrow chronology is this: 

1: He made the prototype and maybe a couple of "regular" rifles in Springfield, Mass.   
2:  Then he moved to Brattleboro, VT, maybe in late 1885.  He stayed in Brattleboro for just under 2 years.  He made a few rifles in Brattleboro, maybe the ones that have very low SNs.  Norman Brockway put one of his ML barrels on a Farrow action, and the Cole rifle was made there.   
3:  In late 1887, Farrow moved to Holyoke, Mass.  I think that is where most of the short actions were made.   
4:  About 1891, he moved to Tennessee.  I don't think he made any rifles there. I think Abby simply pitched a fit and made life miserable.   
5:  About 1893, he moved to Morgantown. Just a guess, but I think any action with a SN in the 80s or higher was made in Morgantown.   
6:  Farrow moved to Washington, DC in 1897 and that was the end of the competition rifles.   

I'm looking forward to reading what Joe Ruth has to say.  Hope I can afford his book.  My rifle $$ were in the stock market.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:58am
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That’s good information waterman the Farrow book is available on blurb it’s 90 bucks for 34 pages nice pictures but dang!!oh I’ll get one but dang!!
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:06pm
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rodneys wrote on Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:58am:
That’s good information waterman the Farrow book is available on blurb it’s 90 bucks for 34 pages nice pictures but dang!!oh I’ll get one but dang!!


So it is self-published?  Who is the author?  Joe Ruth?  And is there a title for the book?

And those are just my ideas about when Farrow built stuff.  Nothing there to die on the cross for.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:58pm
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Tom Rowe did the book of Joe Ruth’s collection is my understanding. The  title is the Rifles of W. Milton Farrrow. Go to the BLurb book site bookstore part and search Tom Rowe or Farrow. They print the book when you order I believe.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 4:25am
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Went to the Blurb site, found the book.  Joe's classification of the models & their sequence makes a lot of sense.  He lists & describes 28 Farrows, at least half without serial numbers.  I'm with Rodney.  90 bucks is a lot for 34 pages.  Nobody who is not totally into Farrow is going to buy it.  I'm totally into Farrow & Farrows, but I can't afford it.  $90+sales tax+shipping.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 9:34am
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All Tom Rowe publications are, at least in my estimation, absurdly high in price.  Perhaps the underlying pricing philosophy is that if you can afford the guns and all their go-withs, you can also surely afford such books.  But if that's the theory, perhaps reality does sneak in if, as rodneys suggests, a book is not actually printed until ordered.

Oh, well, we all have to make some money somehow.

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Reply #25 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 11:45am
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The costs of printing books have gone through the roof.  Anything of good quality but specialty interest is not going to be cheap.  Check your local college bookstore on textbook prices, and realize that about the population of one good-sized class using that textbook is likely to be about the total market for a Farrow gun book.

And then there is the cost of locating and traveling around to see and photograph the pieces scattered in collections around the country.  If Mr. Rowe makes a McDonald’s manager’s wage out of the Farrow books he sells, he’s probably doing well.  If they don’t all sell, likely he’ll take a bath on that title.

Of course, if Mr. Rowe could see fit to lard the book’s pages with a sex&violence saturated back story of Milton Farrow as The Punisher, saving the world and its fair damsels from bad guys with his patented deadly accurate single-loading sniper rifle (see photos and descriptions), it would likely be a best-seller, and the individual book price would come down.  Cheesy

In any case, the people who will surely profit from the book will be the Farrow collectors.  No surer means of amping up the interest (and price) of a “collectible” exists than writing a book about it.
  
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Reply #26 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 1:12pm
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Interesting comment (at least to me) about the cost of book production.  My son (age 49+++) has worked in a small high-end printing place for 25 years.  They closed their doors for good last Thursday.  The CA mandatory shutdown was the last straw.   

A few years back, they were working on the layout of a book on Frank Wesson guns for a local guy writing about his collection.  They made a trial run in b&w, just so the customer could check the layout.  But the customer never came back to pick up the book.  A couple of years later, Tom Rowe put out a book on Frank Wesson guns, basically the same book.
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 5:27pm
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Farrow was not able to sell all his rifles.  During WW1, Farrow had a contract (at one of his DC addresses) to make some sort of rifle cleaning solvent for the military.  He needed working capital and sold stock (or tried to) in the Farrow Arms Company.  The purchaser of a larger than average number of shares was rewarded with a Farrow rifle.  I have no idea how many such sales were made, if any.  That could be the source for rifles suspected of having been made from reject castings.
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 5:34pm
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Bent Ramrod, if they put a bunch of sex, violence and whatnot into the book, it still wouldn't sell. Most of us would wait for the movie and see it all then.
  
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