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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #60 - Feb 10^th, 2020 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	I agree with you on trying to keep the rifle as original as possible. The problem is that the block was heated very hot to get the bronze to flow into it. The screw is frozen in place and the firing pin retract device has been filled off flush. In the pictures you can see the blue color from the heating process. The block will have to be annealed and reheat treated to be safe to shoot.


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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #61 - Feb 10^th, 2020 at 6:08pm	Print Post
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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #62 - Feb 10^th, 2020 at 6:09pm	Print Post
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freebird Full Member Offline Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #63 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 2:11am	Print Post
	This gun has been built on a Nagant action (the "Brevet Remington" marks on the left side of the action proves it) It bears belgian proof marks on the barrel, which means the barrel was proofed in Belgium, but not necessarily on this rifle. I'd bet the barrel came from a Beaumont rifle. as discussed after wards, this was my first impression, and is easily proved wrong by further investigations
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freebird Full Member Offline Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #64 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 2:21am	Print Post
	It looks so very much externally to the Nagant made "Papal Rifle" that I tend to believe it was made entirely by Nagant in that very form and sold through C.L.Witte, who appears to be a famous arms maker and seller from Netherland. (of course, the 10.6 (mm) proves it is NOT a Papal rifle , and the rear sight is typically Dutch. It possibly was made on order by Nagant for Witte in the Dutch style, and caliber: one of the 11mm Beaumont)


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freebird Full Member Offline Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #65 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 5:50am	Print Post
	according to the proof marks, your gun was proofed (hence manufactured) prior to 1877 (the ELG in an oval without crown is 1811-1893, the Crowned N (controller mark) was abandonned in 1877).


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #66 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 11:00am	Print Post
	Freebird, the barrel is serialed to the buttplate and Nagant had a contract to build cavalry/engineer carbines for the Netherlands. At what point a short rifle becomes a carbine or a carbine a short rifle I have no idea.
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freebird Full Member Offline Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #67 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 11:49am	Print Post
	Yes Chauncey, I first thought it might have been rebuilt on a Nagant action, but my other posts clearly states it is a Nagant built rifle (but not a Dutch military gun, or it is a type I've not seen referenced) It is however marked by a Dutch arms maker/seller, so most certainly not a contract rifle. the French name for this type of guns is "mousqueton" (small musket), and it is generally associated with mounted units also operating on foot, like "Gendarmerie", the long "rifles" being issued to line troops. This gun, except the dutch type rear sight, looks exactly like the "Papal state" Nagant made "mousqueton de gendarmerie".


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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #68 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	Thanks for all the comments guys. It is a interesting rifle. Attached you will see a few other RB's I have. as a reference the Dutch rifle is only a little shorter than the Garl Gustaf military example. The two Husqvarna's are in the 12mm and a 500/450 No.1 BPE The model 33 is in 9.3x57r/360


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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #69 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 4:04pm	Print Post
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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #70 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	Not sure if I mentioned it but the Dutch rifle is completely matching. The block is numbered 104 as well. Not really sure what happened to the right side of the receiver. A lot of times these rifles were just thrown in a big box with little packing when that were imported into the states.


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freebird Full Member Offline Posts: 121 Location: South West France Joined: Sep 12^th, 2014	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #71 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	Nice aray of Rolling Block Smokepole! The Swedish 67/89 is "Mousqueton" length, so that's correct (quite a bit shorter than a 67 Swedish or Danish). Love the model 33. I wish I could find one affordable, but they seem to have become very elusive in Europe lately...


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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #72 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 4:13pm	Print Post
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #73 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 5:07pm	Print Post
	That's a well armed truck bed! Smokepole, what's the serial on your 33 and is the hammer bolt in backwards? Rebel, did yours arrive yet?


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Smokepole50 Junior Member Offline Posts: 74 Location: Virginia Joined: Oct 21^st, 2018	Re: Remington Rolling Block made In the Netherlands... Reply #74 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	44985 Yes I guess it is in there backwards. I had not really noticed until now. I have not shot it yet. I have been working up brass for the 500/450 No.1 BPE I just noticed on the bottom of the Model 33 barrel it has 8.5.........but the groove depth at the muzzle measures .360-.362


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