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Reply #120 - Mar 11th, 2020 at 12:28pm
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Smokepole, you've done an excellent job so far on this rifle. Real shame for that solder near the barrel end.
But I trust you will figure it out.

11x53 Beaumont (or one amongst the many subtle variations...) would habe been my guess (quite easy on a military looking gun in the Netherlands around 1870-80.)
It is a very easy and fun caliber to shoot (I have a Comblain that was rebarreled with a Dutch Beaumont barrel)
  
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Reply #121 - May 21st, 2020 at 7:44pm
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Thanks Freebird for the kind words.....just trying to do my best on all fronts.

I got the beech block back from Curt Hardcastle
Curt did a excellent job restoring the block to full working order. Sadly all the internals had to be replaced or completely remade. I will try and post a picture of it soon.

As far as the barrel is concerned I have decided to return it to as close as possible to the 10.6 mm caliber it originally was based on the barrel stamping. Therefore it will either be a 40-65 or a 40-70SS.

I believe it was originally a 10.6 x 57r chambering.
Sometime later it was rebored and re-chambered to 11.3 Beaumont. Perhaps the original rifling got pitted and someone  just bumped it up to 11.3 mm Beaumont. I have checked the case drawings and my chamber cast and I believe this is what happened. The 40-70 Sharps Straight I believe would the the closest to the original chambering and it was developed around the same time  I think as this rifle was made.

The barrel will be relined. Single point cut rifled and a new chamber reamed and installed. The barrel will be stronger steel and hopefully shoot well. I just have to decide on 40-65 or 40-70 SS. I am leaning towards 40-65.
Any opinions on chambering, twist rate, bore size?

When all is done I will have approx. $550 in the rifle. Not all original but a very rare Nagant RB that is probably 150 years old and a good shooter I hope.
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Reply #122 - May 21st, 2020 at 7:52pm
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Although I own several .40-70SS, and the Ballard version of .40-63/70 also, and love the caliber. I'd go with the .40-65 based solely on how cheap and easy it is to buy or form brass, and get dies. 
The others all cost much more for brass, and dies, and it's tough to find brass for them.
  

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Reply #123 - May 21st, 2020 at 9:01pm
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Thanks for the input Marlinguy. Its to bad you live so far from Winchester, Virginia. I expect you would enjoy shooting a Ballard in NSSA competition. It's a hoot to be shooting along side 500 other people and the smoke is so thick you sometimes can't see the target.
  
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Reply #124 - May 22nd, 2020 at 9:33am
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Smokepole50 wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 9:01pm:
Thanks for the input Marlinguy. Its to bad you live so far from Winchester, Virginia. I expect you would enjoy shooting a Ballard in NSSA competition. It's a hoot to be shooting along side 500 other people and the smoke is so thick you sometimes can't see the target.


Not familiar with NSSA or what type of shooting they do, but shooting is always fun, and even more so with vintage single shot rifles. 
My favorite .40 is the .40-85/90 Ballard cartridge. It's a wonderful cartridge, and in my Pacific extremely accurate at everything from 100 yds. to 1,000 yds. I use 9.3x74R brass, and it's one of the easiest old cartridges to form for. I simply open the necks up to .40 caliber, and load them just as I do after first firing. There's a small wasp like waist in the case before the first firing, but it doesn't seem to affect accuracy, so I skip the fire forming without a bullet step.
  

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Reply #125 - May 22nd, 2020 at 10:16am
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Vall, Would second your method of fire-forming.
Neck size, run through a resizing die if required to knock down a shoulder.
Usually anneal between neck sizing and resizing if required.
Load and shoot like any other cartridge. Sometimes amazing groups.
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Reply #126 - May 22nd, 2020 at 11:33am
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Maybe I should consider the 40-85 Ballard as my new chambering. Using just BP, do you have to wipe between shots to maintain good accuracy or will a grease cookie solve that problem?

I am completely new to BPCR's, other than civil war rifles. I have kind of jumped into this rolling block BPCR scene with both feet. I currently have a 500/450 #1 BPE that I am still working up, as in making brass, so 40-85 sounds like a breeze to make. What I am most concerned about is having yet another chambering that I have to clean between every shot. As I understand things, bottle neck BPCR chambering's don't burn clean and any chambering that uses over 70 grains of powder has issues with fouling. I would like this rifle to be useful for hunting and target shooting if possible. I have romantic notions toward paper patching but not sure that will continue past load developed if wiping between every shot is a necessary evil to maintain accuracy with a paper patch.

Another question I have is, is it possible to have rifling that cuts paper patches well and also seals properly with greaser boolits??
  
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Reply #127 - May 23rd, 2020 at 10:56am
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Smokepole50 wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 11:33am:
Maybe I should consider the 40-85 Ballard as my new chambering. Using just BP, do you have to wipe between shots to maintain good accuracy or will a grease cookie solve that problem?



Sorry, but I'm the wrong guy to ask BP questions. I've never used BP in any of my old guns, and don't in my .40-85 Pacific.
If you do choose to make it a .40-85 Ballard, and use the 9.3x74R donor cases. The only thing I'd say is make sure the rim recess is cut for the slightly smaller 9.3x74R rim. The original .40-85 Bal. is slightly larger, so it catches the 9.3 rims OK, but would be better if cut to the slightly smaller size.
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Reply #128 - May 23rd, 2020 at 11:01am
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Chuckster wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:16am:
Vall, Would second your method of fire-forming.
Neck size, run through a resizing die if required to knock down a shoulder.
Usually anneal between neck sizing and resizing if required.
Load and shoot like any other cartridge. Sometimes amazing groups.
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Yeah Chuck, I looked at how close to final shape the 9.3x74R cases were, and figured I'd just load powder and bullets to see how they shot. Wasn't really bearing down to try for good accuracy until my brother told me I had quite a good group going on. I looked through the spotting scope and saw it was shooting very well. So we stopped and hung a new target so I could shoot the last 20 rds. with more care.
I found later by reloading the formed cases that it shot just as well during the forming as it did with the later loads. So whenever I form some more cases I load them just as I would in subsequent firings.
  

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Reply #129 - May 23rd, 2020 at 5:37pm
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That's a very good point you have Marlinguy. I didn't think about the rim being different. I don't really want to mess with the extractor position. I guess I need to check and see how close a 40-65 rim comes to the current extractor position.
  
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Reply #130 - May 23rd, 2020 at 8:42pm
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Smokepole50 wrote on May 23rd, 2020 at 5:37pm:
That's a very good point you have Marlinguy. I didn't think about the rim being different. I don't really want to mess with the extractor position. I guess I need to check and see how close a 40-65 rim comes to the current extractor position.


Almost any caliber you choose will need the extractor built up. The Beaumont has about a .663" rim, and any cartridge based on the .45-70 rim (like the .40-65 Win) will have about a .606" rim. The Ballard .40-70, .40-70SS, and .40-85 Bal. all have smaller rims around .535"-.555" diameter.
It's really an easy fix to weld up the end of the extractor and file it to fit whatever cartridge you choose.
  

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Reply #131 - May 25th, 2020 at 1:11pm
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Well here are a couple pictures of the receiver and repaired breech block I said I would post.

Earlier in the thread I remembered incorrectly my own rifle markings and stated the the barrel was stamped with 10.3,
that has been corrected in the post. It is actually 10.6 which I believe stands for 10.66 x 57.5 Russian Berdan or if I understand all these cartridge references correctly, is the same as the 10.75x58 Russian. These two cartridges designations come from 1867-68 time frame and were the state of the art back then so I can see it being chambered in this rifle which was built around that same time. Of course that now makes it originally a 42 caliber rifle.
  
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