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Reply #105 - Feb 29th, 2020 at 12:00pm
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Was it deHaas in More Single Shot Rifles that mentioned that several Belgian rolling blocks he had seen were in 43 Spanish?
  
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Reply #106 - Feb 29th, 2020 at 5:02pm
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.42 Berdan and .43 Spanish are really very similar.
"almost" interchangeable. (Berdan goes into Spanish, not always the other way round.)
Could also be 11mm Beaumont, but the rim diameter would tell you which.

43 SPanish was very frequent in Belgium made RB because many were intended for South America (where the 43 Spanish was king for a long time).
I doubt they would have chambered in either Berdan or Spanish for a gun meant to be sold in Netherland, but...
  
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Reply #107 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 4:01pm
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I was able to get the barrel plug removed from the barrel.....it looks like it is chambered in 11.3 Beaumont

Rifling groove depth measuring 458-460

Case length is 50 mm approx.
  
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Reply #108 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 4:03pm
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Chamber.......
  
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Reply #109 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 4:04pm
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Rifling.............
  
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Reply #110 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 4:07pm
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Barrel....
  
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Reply #111 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 4:19pm
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The really sad part is that I was successful in removing the barrel plug without damaging the rifling. However there is still an inch of solder material still stuck in the bore 2 inches from the muzzle. What is even more sad is that the bore is in what I would consider very good condition for a 150 year old rifle. I believe I could cut two inches of the barrel and shoot it today hitting what I was aiming at.

I don't know what to do now.

In removing the plug I used a couple drill bits with brass bushings I made in a lathe. I first use a 375 bit and that was large enough to release the bar stock plug. Then with a external bushing I opened it up to .420 thus leaving behind the ring of silver solder or what ever it is in the rifling. I guess I could continue down the same path with the external fitting guide bushing at the muzzle and use reamers to slowly remove the solder back to the top of the lands but that still leaves the grooves to deal with......
  
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Reply #112 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 4:27pm
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barrel jig.............
  
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Reply #113 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 5:57pm
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If this is lead-based solder, how about heating the muzzle carefully with a butane torch and scrubbing the solder out as you can with a bronze brush?

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Reply #114 - Mar 8th, 2020 at 6:56pm
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I have heated the area of the barrel, approx. 2 inches from the muzzle, to a dull red with a map gas torch twice now in a effort to determine the material and in an attempt to remove the remaining material after drilling with a bronze brush pushed out the muzzle. It's not lead based, that's for sure.

I am making ever effort to maintain the originality of this barrel but I fear it will require a new liner if it's to be shot again one day.
  
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Reply #115 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 9:34pm
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Not a roller guy & late to this discussion, but I have some comments & questions.

First, there has been a lot of labor-of-love work put into this rifle.  Either you (1) expensively restore it, or (2) you leave it as is, or (3) you do some work to make it into a shooter and destroy any collector value.

Collector value?  To me, the guys who did the brazing or whatever to the block & barrel already diminished that, unless it is super rare.

If you expensively restore it, can you justify the expense to yourself?

What if you substitute parts?  In the world of rolling block parts, there must be a Brevete Nagant block somewhere that could be made to fit.  It must be relatively simple to have a modern barrel turned to the original dimensions.  Then it could be any appropriate caliber and there's your shooter.  If you save the original parts (and label them) you could return it to "condition as received" at any time.
  
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Reply #116 - Mar 10th, 2020 at 11:17am
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Another choice might be to do as armorers did with milsurp rifles that had erosion near the crown, and counter bore the barrel. I've owned a few that had been counter bored down 2" or so, and they shot excellent. It saves the exterior look, and sights, but gives you a new crown down below the solder or whatever is in your bore. It will also be the cheapest fix, and save the original looks.
  

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Reply #117 - Mar 10th, 2020 at 11:41am
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  I'm wondering if mercury would work.
  

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Reply #118 - Mar 10th, 2020 at 12:17pm
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Counter boring has crossed my mind. However it has to be done perfectly or the gases will jet out around the bullet unevenly and throw the bullet off target. I think to do it properly a pilot would be necessary which is an issue with the bore obstruction. Maybe if all the run out could be eliminated it could be done in a lathe with a boring bar and then trued up with a piloted reamer.

The next planned step is to purchase a reamer just a RCH under bore diameter and try to remove the approx. .006 of material setting on top of the lands. After that, if successful, I am hoping the material down in the grooves will be much easier to get out.....

I also own counter bored rifles that shoot well but they are WWII type military rifles. I have talked with a barrel relining expert about counter boring the barrel and he thinks from his experience it wont work. I am not really sure why he thinks that, maybe it has something to do with the caliber or the projectile type......
  
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Reply #119 - Mar 11th, 2020 at 11:40am
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I doubt getting the counter bore done properly is much different than getting the crown done at the muzzle. Both need to be done properly or the accuracy will be lost.
But if armorers in the military can counter bore and get it right, I'd think any good gunsmith could also. Not really much different than a gun as a bloop tube, unless the bloop tube was detachable, and not part of the barrel. I've got a couple .22 single shots with 20"-22" barrels, but then turn to larger barrels of around .40-.45 caliber for the rest of the 30" length. They shoot as good as any full length .22 rifles I own.
If you have the right gunsmith do it, it should shoot just fine.
  

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