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Dec 23rd, 2019 at 1:49am
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OLD TUCK wrote on Dec 22nd, 2019 at 9:45pm:

I have given away more Pope Lube than I have ever used myself for shooters to try. Almost all have reported it worked well, but eventually do not mention it again. And if I ask the most common response is a sheepish reply that they had tried a quicker method of heating and had burnt the lube and it no longer worked as well and smelled burnt. Just my thoughts and experience. FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley


The formula I found on here Quote:
This is out of my Grandfather's Notebook (Alfred Louis Stebbins).  It is a recipe from Harry M. Pope.  

Barlow's Bullet Lubricant (Recommended by H.M. Pope)

Mutton Tallow 6 oz (Chop, warm and strain through a tea strainer)
Bee's Wax 2 oz
Bay (Berry) Wax 4 oz
Steam Cylinder Oil 2 oz
Acheson Electric Graphite #2301, 2 heaping tablespoons full (about 170 grains)

Melt all together slowly.  Pour about 1/2 inch deep in a pan while stirring to keep graphite from settling and allow to cool.

Break up in to pieces after cooled and hardened and and put into lube pump.

Graphite made by Acheson Graphite Co., Niagara Falls, NY.

I have no idea where one might get steam cylinder oil today or mutton tallow unless you know a sheep farmer.  I am sure powdered graphite can be found.

Gary


OLD TUCK,

What ingredients do you use?   

Any substitutions?   

Where do you find them? 

Do you pan lube?

How do you keep the graphite from settling out? 

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Reply #1 - Dec 23rd, 2019 at 2:04am
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Dixie Gun Works sell mutton tallow for making bullet lubes.

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Bayberry Wax is available through Amazon (what isn't?)

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Steam cylinder oil is still available too ...

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Acheson Electric Graphite #2301 MIGHT still be available from one of the various companies that bought out the original Acheson company?

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Beeswax is the easy one ...

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Thanks Al.  I recall looking for the ingredients years ago.  Must have been before Goggle  Embarrassed Have you ever tried pan lubing with it?
  

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Mutton Tallow is available and this source, though the price has increased, is pure white with no additives ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Fearing the source would dry up like Dixie, I bought 12 lbs and have 5 tubs (2lb each) left
  
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In the past I always went to a processor that butchered livestock. I asked when the next load of sheep where coming in and they set aside a bunch of mutton fat/tallow for me. It was cheap, and then rendered it myself and stored it in mason jars. Some of my old stock is 10 yrs old and it never went rancid. Easy to render and really not a stinky job to do.
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Fitz would be the one to ask he has been using Pope's Lube for the twenty plus years that I have known him. He sent me a few of his 33 Pope, Pope lubed bullets to try some twenty years back.
  

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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Dec 23rd, 2019 at 2:08am:
Thanks Al.  I recall looking for the ingredients years ago.  Must have been before Goggle  Embarrassed Have you ever tried pan lubing with it?


I've pan lubed, but not with Pope's formula.  I use the old tried and true Beeswax / Crisco (no salt) / a bit of olive oil.  Seems to work OK so far ...

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scheutzenmiester, I use that exact list of componenets listed 2nd Pope Lube from "respectfully Yours H.M. Pope" The only change is the Powdered Graphite. In the H. M Pope book he recommended Oildag in place of Powdered Graphite. Oildag is Graphite in suspension and it works. The Graphite does not settle out. The Powdered Graphite did settle out, as when I first went to Pope Lube I used the Powdered and it always settled to the bottom of the Lube Cake. At the time I decided to go to the Pope lube finding the components was difficult. But the original maker Acheson Lubricant still had it listed in 1 Pint cans for just under $10.00. I bought a case of 12 Pints and very quickly sold all but 1 Pint in my group of Schuetzen shooters. The Mutton Tallow was just a matter of finding a Butcher that on occasion processed Sheep for local Live Stock Farmers. The Steam Cylinder Oil was found by going to Steam Train enthusiasts and did find a source that said he had the original steam cylinder oil that was made from Vegtable Fats. Not Mineral Oil. The Bayberry Wax can be found at Candle makers and is the Hard Shell found on candles and has a pleasant Oder when the Candle is Burned.
For many years I had used a simple Lube of 50/50 Bee's Wax and Yellow Vaseline. It worked well and still can be found in the section of a Pharmacy that handles Baby products. It is sometimes labeled as "Yellow Petrolatum"
I later purchased another case as I had sold all but one of the first case of Oildag. I have recently learned that Acheson sold off the rights to it to a German firm and they now only offer it in 55 Gallon barrels. So I guess I will have to make the Pint I have left last. It has worked well for me a stores well in Butter Dixie cups in a vegetable crisper. BUT! when pan lubed and stored for a lengthy time it does grow a Mossy fuzz on the Bullets. I have shot them to see what effect it has and can see no difference. But I only tested offhand and that is not a valid test for difference. I have NOT! had a problem with fowling in any manner with Barrel cleaning or Bore condition in over 40 years of using this Lubricant with either Black or Smokeless or Duplex Loading in some of my most prized rifles. But my procedure has and still is when done shooting and while the Barrel is warm Wiping with a sloppy wet patch and then a dry patch and then another wet patch and leave it wet until I get home and clean it again. FITZ OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 24th, 2019 at 3:56am
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Thanks OLD TUCK.   I did a little searching and found this:

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Looks like the graphite is probably suspended in a solvent rather than distilled water.  It says it evaporates quickly.  Any thoughts?

Rev Al, I pan lube exclusively.  Too much trouble to get a sizer set up for taper bullets. They are a bit of a PIA for straight ones  Cheesy
  

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OLD Tuck, Did you ever shoot the Pope Lube without the graphite?
  

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Was your grand father Alfred Louis Stebbins  any relation to Henry M. Stebbins the author ?
  
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Looks like the graphite is probably suspended in a solvent rather than distilled water.  It says it evaporates quickly.  Any thoughts?

If you can find it or have some, Rapine Mold Prep is graphite in a suspended solution of some type of solvent
  
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Schuetzenmeister No I never tried it without Graphite, I felt no need to try and modify Popes system. I do remember saying to myself, "If it is good enough for Pope it will do for me".
  As to the Evaporation ? I do not have an opinion or thought on that. I would think that with all the waxes and tallow it would not Evaporate too quickly.
The first time I Pan lubed may have been the last time I used a Lubricating Machine. I still have a couple of them setup but only for custom sizing when needed. Yea! I have spent countless hours trying to make a Tapered lube die that will not leak Lube. I have come to suspect that Pope just used the cherry 
that cut the mold to ream his Lube dies. Well all for now. FITZ OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Back when I could still use a lube pump I had real good success with epoxy bedding the bullet to the die. It made for a perfect leak free fit and both the Dell and the Barrnet were a real pleasure to use.
  

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Reply #14 - Dec 25th, 2019 at 12:48pm
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Well there you go John. I have known about that procedure for many years.
Never bothered to try it. Not Lazy just plain stubborn, or maybe stupid. Going to try it now. I would like to use my Grease Pump on a hot summer day and have fresh lube on my bullets with no lube voids in the grooves. Under firing pressure the Hydraulics will win out in deformation of a soft lead bullet. Merry Christmas and a Happy New year John. FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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