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This should round out your loading bench
Dec 17th, 2019 at 9:04pm
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Not cheap but owning this would put you in a very small club.

Is this in Tom Rowe's book?
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Reply #1 - Dec 17th, 2019 at 9:20pm
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Only six known? If I could afford it, I’d have all six......


Just kidding, never seen one. Glad he posted the patent drawing 



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Reply #2 - Dec 17th, 2019 at 9:25pm
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This tool was produced in commercial quantities by Marlin, but even those can easily cost several hundred dollars if complete and usable.

An equally scarce and nowadays costly all-in-one tool was made by Savage.  Like others with a loose decapping pin, it's seldom found complete, plus it's (nearly?) only found in chamberings that were available in the Savage 1895 and early 99 rifles.

I don't have Rowe's book; but if I remember correctly, both tools are in Chamberlin's.

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Reply #3 - Dec 18th, 2019 at 2:34am
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Thanks for posting, that was pretty interesting to see! 

Anyone here recall when JMB's home was up for sale a few years back? Described (to my best recollection), as having a "basement workshop under the front porch with shooting room." 

I'd have given all of my treasure to own that, but all of my treasure probably couldn't have bought the mailbox out front! Grin
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:11am
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10K ?? is someone throwing something on the wall and seeing if it sticks. is it worth that much.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:19am
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I have a fair number of the Marlin made Browning designed tools. They are usually referred to as the "1881 Tool" as most customers purchasing a Model 1881 Marlin bought this tool as an accessory. But the tools came in many calibers the 1881 Marlin wasn't offered in also, but those non 1881 caliber tools get the biggest money.
The tools in 1881 calibers were .45-70, .40-60 Marlin, .38-55, and .32-40 calibers. .44-40 is a tough one to find, and gets better values. Most of the other common calibers will bring around $150 in good working condition, and only bring big dollars if they have a lot of original finish. 
The Browning tool is the rare exception among old loading tools because it did it all. Not just reloading ammo, and casting bullets, but also the only tool in the day that full length sized brass!
John Marlin bought the patent rights to make the Browning tool, and every tool Marlin made was individually serial numbered. That should tell folks how well they were made, and how important Marlin thought the design was to the company.
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:25am
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kensmachine wrote on Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:11am:
10K ?? is someone throwing something on the wall and seeing if it sticks. is it worth that much. 


Considering most advanced antique tool collectors have never seen the original Browning version I'd think it's impossible to dictate a price. I doubt there's more than a handful in existence with the Browning Bros. mark today. So tough to put a price estimate on what it should bring. But $10k may be a fishing expedition, and my gut tells me it should be about half that.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 4:30pm
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Cool tool, but not that many $s cool.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:42pm
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Tom Q could tells the $$
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2019 at 8:47am
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Mighty interesting to see one, though. I have casually collected some reloading tools over the 40 years or so that I've been interested in single shots, but never realized the Marlin tool was a Browning patent. 
Also don't have a Marlin tool in my small collection either. Are they marked with Browning's name, or just the patent number?
  

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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2019 at 5:18pm
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Plagerized: "The Marlin Fire Arms Reloading Tool was patented by John M. Browning and his brother Matthew (U.S. 247,881). It deprimed Boxer primers, as well as the Berdan ones, but typically those decapping pins are lost. It would seat either type. According to Chamberlain's book, the second hole in the handle with the big plunger was a wad cutter rather than a boolit sizer. The book also has a copy of Marlin's instructions for use. All the tools were serial numbered."
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 22nd, 2019 at 11:12am
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kensmachine wrote on Dec 20th, 2019 at 11:42pm:
Tom Q could tells the $$


The Browning tool may be one of the few tools Tom doesn't own!
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 3:54pm
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I owned one when I was into tool collecting.  Had a large collection and I believe mine was numbered 281 and was in 45-70.  I did an article for one of the mags back then (1980's) and still have the pics somewhere.  I used the tool and it still had the pin.  When my close friend passed, who was my mentor in collecting, I lost interest and sold my entire collection.
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 4:48pm
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John Rigby to loose a friend and a mentor is a very terrible thing for anyone to have to go through. My Uncle was my hunting partner and best friend, we made several trips into wilderness areas with the help of horses to get us there. They then changed this area into a very limited draw zone. So off we went to Colorado together from then on out and when he passed I lost all interest in hunting and I haven't done so since.
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 10th, 2020 at 8:48am
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John in PA wrote on Dec 21st, 2019 at 8:47am:
Mighty interesting to see one, though. I have casually collected some reloading tools over the 40 years or so that I've been interested in single shots, but never realized the Marlin tool was a Browning patent. 
Also don't have a Marlin tool in my small collection either. Are they marked with Browning's name, or just the patent number?


The Marlin tool Browning designed did not have his name or his patent number on it. And after doing some research I'm not certain the tool that initially started this thread is a Browning made tool either. I got out my copy of "Cartridge Reloading Tools of the Past" by Dick Chamberlain and Tom Quigley, and according to their fine book the patent Browning applied for was immediately granted and then immediately purchased by John Marlin. So any tools marked "JM Browning" were Marlin tools made by Marlin, and simply sold in the Browning shop. Like everything Browning Bros. sold from their shop, the tools and guns got the Browning Bros. stamp.
Now to add further to the question of whether the auction was a Browning tool. On page 56 Chamberlain/Quigley show an image of a pre patent Browning tool that was made by Browning Bros. and is the basis of the patent. That tool is much more blocky looking, and not as refined as the Marlin version. It has the same lower handle shape, and the same mold at the top. Functions are the same, but I'd guess the weight is a bit heavier with all the extra metal on it.
So probably a good thing nobody won the bid as they'd have gotten a Marlin tool sold from Browning's shop, and not a Browning made tool.
  

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