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roller-wall59 Newbie Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Nov 12^th, 2019	.32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Nov 14^th, 2019 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	Greetings from Western NY State. I recently acquired an original Low wall, 1/2 oct #2 bbl with set trigger. Bore is not so good but I think "safe" to shoot. Considering lining the barrel. I have a source for liner "L. Romano Rifle Co. - The Alamo Gun Shop" but wonder if others may produce .32 caliber liners for the .322-.323" Ø bullet. 1st question-Are there other recommendations for barrel liner sources I should consider? I am having trouble finding reliable information regarding case forming for the .32 Ideal. 2nd question-Does anyone have experience making .32 Ideal cases and is willing to share? I have seen Bertram and Roberson brass that must be made of gold plated unobtainium and would prefer to make my own if possible. Finally Loading data and casting recommendations: 3rd question-Does anyone have recommendations regarding moulds and loads for .32 Ideal? Thanks in advance for insights, recommendations and time.
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Reverend Al Oldtimer Offline Posts: 568 Location: Victoria BC Canada Joined: Jun 25^th, 2016	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #1 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	Donelly's Cartridge Conversion manual says that you can fire-form .32-20 cases to make short, but useable brass for .32 Ideal ...

	I may have passed my "Best Before" date, but I haven't quite reached my "Expiry" date yet ...
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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1826 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #2 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	Instead of the 32 Ideal, why not just get the 0.322=0.323 lined barrel chambered for the "32-20 CPA" which, I believe has slightly larger neck on the 32-20 brass so as to use that bullet diameter rather than the std 32-20 at 0.312 beltfed/arnie


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 823 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #3 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	TJ liners. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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roller-wall59 Newbie Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Nov 12^th, 2019	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #4 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 4:32pm	Print Post
	When Googling TJ's results say "Permanently Closed"... I see fire-forming 32-20 wcf can result in short .32 Ideals, that may be my answer. I would however like to make "true" .32 Ideal brass if I could. "Beltfed" is a great handle for a single shot association!! I appreciate the input!! Thanks!!


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #5 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 5:27pm	Print Post
	I make .32 Ideal from 5.56x50R brass for my pair of original 44 Stevenses. Makes a pretty good case that isn't short. but the rim is a few thou too small, FWIW. This requires a good study reloading press, and a small bench lathe. I have not spent any time on the range to test loads, but in Quickload 11 grains of Lil'Gun looks good for a 180 grain bullet, fixed, not breech seated. Calculated MV 1400 fps. for 26" barrel, pressure 13,420 psi., calculated bolt thrust is acceptable for a Model 44 without the hammer lug. On par with .32-20 anyway. I have my notes, if you care to send me a direct email.
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CW Oldtimer Offline Posts: 534 Joined: Feb 20^th, 2018	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #6 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	Should you get to the point you have a working 32 Ideal rifle, I have the Ideal mold and would send you 50 or so bullets to see how they do. Maybe just have a reamer made a little short for the short fireformed brass? I know! It would not ever be quite the same.
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #7 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	I'm for the real .32 Ideal. The case capacity is enough greater than the .32-20 that larger charges of slower powder get you the velocity you need with less peak pressure, but it's not so much greater that the powder charge gets lost in the volume.

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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1055 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #8 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	I kind of like the .32 Ideal. I use Bertram brass. ( not the best) I have Winchester Highwall with double set triggers. The bore is pretty good. I have my best luck with bullets in the 150gr range. 11/15/2019 corrected to Bertram brass.
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #9 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Kurt_701 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2019 at 8:15pm: I kind of like the .32 Ideal. I use Jameson brass. ( not the best) I have Winchester Highwall with double set triggers. The bore is pretty good. I have my best luck with bullets in the 150gr range. Moot point since Jameson/Captech is no more, but I'm curious to know what you found deficient about their brass.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1634 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #10 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	CW wrote on Nov 14^th, 2019 at 5:29pm: Should you get to the point you have a working 32 Ideal rifle, I have the Ideal mold and would send you 50 or so bullets to see how they do. Maybe just have a reamer made a little short for the short fireformed brass? I know! It would not ever be quite the same. im assuming the 32359.its a wonderful bullet design!


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #11 - Nov 14^th, 2019 at 11:37pm	Print Post
	32359 is about 120 grains weight, is it not?

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1634 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #12 - Nov 15^th, 2019 at 12:14am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2019 at 11:37pm: 32359 is about 120 grains weight, is it not? I have to weigh at few,a little heavier I think though.its a dandy 32-40 gallery bullet.


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Kurt_701 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1055 Location: Missouri Joined: May 20^th, 2004	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #13 - Nov 15^th, 2019 at 7:28am	Print Post
	Sorry I meant to say Bertram Brass. I anneal all Bertram brass but still had failures with a split along the case body.

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CW Oldtimer Offline Posts: 534 Joined: Feb 20^th, 2018	Re: .32 Ideal 1885 LW bbl Lining, reloading and brass Reply #14 - Nov 16^th, 2019 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Cbashooter wrote on Nov 14^th, 2019 at 10:07pm: CW wrote on Nov 14^th, 2019 at 5:29pm: Should you get to the point you have a working 32 Ideal rifle, I have the Ideal mold and would send you 50 or so bullets to see how they do. Maybe just have a reamer made a little short for the short fireformed brass? I know! It would not ever be quite the same. im assuming the 32359.its a wonderful bullet design! It is a rarely seen 322 260 designed something like a Louvern weighing about 210 in 25-1. I will have to look and measure if it is tapered. It would need a barrel twist in the area of at least 16 to 1 or 14 to 1 keep it flying true.
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