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Reply #15 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 7:05am
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Although not my game in shooting I have always admired the Germanic style, design, engineering, execution and quality of their work.
I agree this is not journeyman work especially in the wood. That is one honking big chunk of wood. The inletting isn't up to quality you are used to seeing. The wood is probably the plainest I've see and has no drain or figure you can see through that finish which is an unattractive color. I would think a refinish would help. I like the rifle and think once the wood is done it would see the range. A good scope would help load development. Should be a fun journey as you never can tell if that ugly duckling is a swan ready to come out.
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Reply #16 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 9:20am
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A friend of mine had a nice Anschutz bolt-action .22 RF.  He told me he had made the stock himself.  He’d gotten the rifle cheap from a neighbor (a WWII vet) because the original stock had had the butt smashed off.

He told me that this was sometimes the practice for GIs returning from the European Theater after WWII.  Some last-minute Directive had gone down somewhere, saying that war trophies would not be shipped separately, and if the soldier wanted to get his loot to the States, it would have to fit in his duffel bag.  No tools being available as the troopship was being boarded, the soldier would smash the stock off at the grip, stick both pieces in the bag (it fit by then) and board the ship with the vague idea that it could be glued together again when he got home.

In a lot of cases, this repair was forgotten in the process of picking one’s interrupted life up again; the buttstock would be lost, or the damage too extreme to fix.  Some enterprising amateur then had a gun to make a stock for, based on memories and maybe a picture or two.

The forend looks like original equipment, anyway.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 2:21pm
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I have to agree, I don’t think the stock is original, but what the h**l it should be fun to shoot. Let us know what round it is chambered for. Wife and I were in Victoria this spring, stayed in the Oak Bay hotel, what a beautiful city.
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Reply #18 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 2:33pm
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What is the lever on the right rear of the action.
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Reply #19 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:23pm
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yamoon wrote on Nov 3rd, 2019 at 2:33pm:
What is the lever on the right rear of the action.
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If you look at the photo with the action open you will see that the "lever" your mentioned is part of the trigger guard assembly and it cams the breech block down into the open or loading position.
  

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Reply #20 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 3:34pm
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And cocks the hammer;-)
  
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Reply #21 - Nov 16th, 2019 at 3:13am
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OK, I made a little bit of progress on this old girl today.

I was going to run out to visit a couple of friends which are near one of my shooting ranges and on a sudden whim I quickly grabbed this rifle and took an orphan .45-70 case to check the rim size compared to the chamber and extractor.  Seemed a good fit so I wondered if it might actually have been altered to the .40-50 Sharps BN that it was listed to be chambered in?

I ran the .45-70 case through my .40-82 Winchester die, then through my .38/56 Winchester die at which point the case "plopped" into the chamber right up to the rim.  So far so good and it seemed to be a reasonable fit.

I primed the case and loaded my usual fire-forming blank of shotgun powder, a 1/4 sheet of toilet tissue, yellow cornmeal up to the case mouth, and then another 1/4 sheet of toilet tissue to hold it all in place.  I stopped by the range and quickly banged off the fire-forming round to see what would come out of the chamber.  Hmmm ... some interesting results.

The case had a very "pregnant" bulge amidships, but showed a very distinct shoulder and neck.  It looked rather familiar in shape, so when I got back home I quickly dug out a round of 11mm / .43 Mauser brass and compared them. The shoulder is at the same length and the "bulge" is about the same diameter as the .43 Mauser case, and the case mouths were about the same inside diameter.

I took a round of loaded .40-50 Sharps straight and the entire bullet AND case mouth dropped in at the muzzle.  I took a factory loaded round of Dominion (CIL Canada) .43 Mauser and the bullet is a nice snug fit at the muzzle.

From the distinct line showing on the fire formed .45-70 case which appears to be the end of the chamber it would appear that this rifle is in some sort of 11mm based on the .43 Mauser case, with the shoulder at about the same length, but with a much shorter neck.  (Overall length appears to be about 1.94".)  I couldn't match it up to any of the 11mm cartridges in Donelly's book, so it is likely some gunsmith's proprietary 11mm cartridge of about 11.15x50mm.  I'll definitely have to slug the barrel to determine actual groove size, and do a cerrosafe chamber cast to determine the exact case length.

For comparison here is the fire-formed .45-70 case, a .43 Mauser case, and a 9.5x47R case from one of my other Schuetzen rifles.

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Reply #22 - Nov 16th, 2019 at 10:13am
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check out the latest handloader mag there as an article on 11mm schuetzen rifle ken
  
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Reply #23 - Nov 16th, 2019 at 12:54pm
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Exactly, download the PDF sample issue - second article.
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Reply #24 - Nov 16th, 2019 at 1:57pm
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Talk about perfect timing!  That looks to be the same animal as the cartridge in my rifle and the dimensions look to be pretty much spot on.  This rifle of mine has a perfect bore so I have high hopes for the way it might shoot.
Thanks for spotting that Handloader article and letting me know about it!
  

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