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Unmarked Schuetzen rifle in .40-50 BN (?)
Oct 30th, 2019 at 5:27pm
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This is another one of my Schuetzen rifles that is unmarked.  It has no maker's or distributor's name ... it's not even marked for calibre.  It was sold to me as being chambered in .40-50 BN, but I haven't slugged the bore or done a chamber cast to confirm that yet.  It might be a re-bored and re-chambered rifle since the bore is absolutely perfect while the exterior shows the expected wear and tear of a gun of this age.  I'll pull the wood and see if there are any proofs or marking out of sight on the barrel.  It has a few "warts", but I couldn't resist it since the price was VERY reasonable!

Any speculation from our resident German Schuetzen rifle experts as to what type of action this one is based on?

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Re: Unmarked Schuetzen rifle in .40-50 BN (?)
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 5:34pm
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I have another German Schuetzen rifle enroute to me by mail at the moment.  That one is in 9.5x47R ... which gives me 3 rifles in that chambering now!  I'll post some pictures of that one too when it arrives.

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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 6:17pm
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Another good catch, Rev. Al!  Other than it's some sort of Martini, I'll only note that while it's  perhaps the most "plain Jane" German-style Schuetzen I've ever seen, the lack or ornamentation does allow you to more readily appreciate the gun's flowing lines.

Also replacing the buttplate's missing top screw should be pretty easy, although I would want its "acorn" to be turned from nickel silver.

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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 7:44pm
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Yep ... she's a plain Jane "vanilla" Schuetzen rifle for sure.  Not a mark stamped anywhere on the receiver or barrel and no checkering.  I'm tempted to knock that glossy finish off the stocks and refinish it in a matte oil finish, but that is just my personal preference.  I can live without checkering.  It has been drilled and tapped for scope mounts on the barrel and receiver already so I could always mount a scope on it just to work up some loads and then either fill the holes or maybe just put in some plug screws?
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2019 at 8:54pm
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Definitely different. I have several German Schuetzen rifles and examined many more, that is the first I’ve seen with a pistol grip stock.
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Reply #5 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:13am
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Habermann and Schmidt?
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 10:35am
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Rifle has the look and feel of a very talented amateur gunsmith. Excellent workmanship.
Reminds me of what Remington did to the Hepburn to build a Walker.
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Reply #7 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:48pm
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Looks like one of these modified to a more forward block actuator.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 1:55pm
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Sure does, doesn't it ... good catch.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 2:11pm
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OK, I finally took a minute to pull the key and remove the forend and ... voila! ... there are actually some proofs showing on the underside of the barrel.  Looks like "HSTAHL" plus "GEM" plus a cross or plus sign (+) and a cartouche that I don't recognize and couldn't find anything online that looks anything like it.  Also the number "16".  Can any of our resident proof experts decipher any of these marks?

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Reply #10 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:47pm
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The only GEM I could find so far was a German air rifle manufacturer ...
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 3:48pm
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Perhaps a "Guild Rifle" ?
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Reply #12 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:18pm
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Could well be since there is nothing marked on the action or the visible parts of the barrel above the forend.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 6:42pm
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hessstahl literally translates as "hess steel", and my guess is that refers to steel made in Hesse, currently a German federal state, formerly a principality, and the source of the famous mercenaries, the Hessians, which the British threw at us during that unpleasantness we call the American Revolution.

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Reply #14 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 7:27pm
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     More likely a poor stamping of "Gussstahl", "cast steel".   Since it is a large caliber, it may pre-date German proof marks, which began in 1892.
There is a recently-published book on German Schuetzen cartridges, mainly focussed on the 8.15x46R ctg,   It (the book)  came with a poster from G. ROTH company listing an array of 40 "target" cartridges varying from 9.6mm to 11.3 mm.
      The book is in German, but, if you are interested in these rifles, is a "must have".   Rather difficult to get hold of -- I had to have a fellow send me a copy from Germany.  No doubt the cartridge for which the subject rifle is chambered is one of those listed on the ROTH poster.

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