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Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:14pm
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Michael Dorrler was one of the best Schuetzen (200 yard offhand) shooters of the early 20th century. To find more details about him I recommend you go back through Shooting and Fishing magazine 1895-1910 or there about. He was among the top finishers in a number of the old National Schuetzen Bund tournaments plus many local and regional matches. He was know as a tough, no-nonsense competitor.
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Reply #2 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:35pm
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First off - very nice photography!

That's a handsome rifle, and I'm especially intrigued by the rough-turned barrel, which I presume was designed to deliver a "no glare" finish. I wonder if this runs the entire length of the barrel?   

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From the Los Angeles Herald November of 1903 
WORLD'S CHAMPION RIFLE SHOT W. G. Hudson's Wonderful Record Causes Universal Comment;
Riflemen all over the world are studying the scores for 100 shots, offhand, at 200 yards, made by world's champion rifle shot, Dr. W. G. Hudson of New York City this November. Never before in the history of rifle shooting at the ring target has Dr. Hudson's score been equaled, and experts are inclined to the opinion that the mark set by the new champion will never be surpassed. For the information of local rifle experts the full score for 100 shots made by Dr. Hudson is appended: One-hundred shots at 200 yards, off-hand, on the ring target, possible 2500: Dr. W. G. Hudson of New York City—  22 23 23 25 24 21 22 20 25 23—228, 20 23 21 22 22 25 21 23 24 25—232, 24 21 24 22 24 25 23 22 25 24—236, 25 23 23 23 24 23 25 24 33 20—233, 23 23 23 23 22 20 22 24 22 23—225, 21 24 24 20 22 21 24 24 23 23—226, 21 23 25 24 23 22 23 25 25 25—236, 24 23 25 25 23 20 20 22 22 23—226, 20 21 21 24 20 25 25 24 23 23—226, 25 22 24 25 22 22 21 24 23 24—232 Record to date: The average of twenty-three and a fraction for 100 shots tells the whole story of the most wonderful target shooting in the history of the report. Since 1893 the record for 100 shots and for ten shots is as follows: 100 Shots; 1883 F. C. Ross 2194, 1894 F. C. Ross 2142, 1895 F. C. Ross 2222, 1896 F. C. Ross 2225, 1897 Michael Dorrler 2283, 1898 F. C. Ross 2213, 1899 Michael Dorrler 2240, 1900 Michael Dorrler 2217, 1901 F. C. Ross 2238, 1902 F. C. Ross 2212, 1903 Dr. W. G. Hudson 2301. 10 Shot Entries; 1893 Louis Flach »230 29 1894 F. C. Ross 231 21 1895 Q. W. Plaisted 233 32 1897 Michael Dorrler 2183 1897 H. M. Spencer 229 23 1898 H. M. Spencer 231 18 1899 George Schlicht 231 19 1900 F. C. Ross 235 17 1901 Dr. W. G. Hudson "2:10 10 1902 Dr. W. G. Hudson 230 16 1903 J. E. Kelley 235 27 •Won by Flach on shoot-off with Charles Hutch. ••Dr. Hudson made 230 twice, but was barred, having won the other prize.
The first four years these events were shot at Cypress Hills, L. I.; the next five years they were shot at Greenville, N. J.; in 1902 the shoot was held at Cypress Hills, L. I.; and in 1903 at Greenville, N. J. When Michael Dorrler made 2257 in 1900, experts the world over hailed him as the king of off-hand riflemen, and the prediction was made that his score would stand for many years.
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Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2019 at 10:53pm
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Did not know Michael Dorrler, but love the engraving.
Not as refined as some, but good honest, well done hand engraving on faded casehardening.
What is the barrel? Maybe Damascus. Important award at some shoot or maybe a paid shooter for Stevens?
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I'd bet much that the barrel is indeed of damascus steel.  Moreover, if so, back in those days the blank would've most certainly been imported, since in this country only the Ithica Gun Company ever made damascus barrels in quantity and those only for shotguns.

And, praises be, unless my eyes and memory deceive me, that's Pope sitting on Dorrier's right.

In any case, can we see a full-length photo of that incredibly special rifle?

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What a neat Stevens! Wonder if it was a prize won at one of the big schuetzen matches back in the day?
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 29th, 2019 at 12:45pm
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Bill,
I copied this from the rolling and falling block forum on FB, but I can query the poster for a full length pic. I suspect he might have gotten it from someone else though.

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Reply #8 - Oct 29th, 2019 at 1:10pm
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Very nice rifle. I especially like the extra finger spur on the lever. Don't know that I've seen one like it before. It looks like it was added on, so probably one of a kind.

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Reply #9 - Oct 29th, 2019 at 5:17pm
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Dorrier and Walter Hudson had somewhat of a nemesis relationship and in 1904 shot a series of individual matches that, as I seem to remember, were well publicized. I have a note that on Feb.22,1904 they shot a hundred shot match at Greenville with Hudson the victor and Dorrier asking for a rematch. The results of the match were in Forest and Stream for Feb.27, '04. I have not looked at the rest of the volume for more of the individual matches that I can remember, and my files for F&S don't include the July-Dec. '04 volume. Call it a hunch, but I would venture to bet that the gun pictured is a prize rifle from this series of Hudson-Dorrier individual contests.
  
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Thanks for the article, Schuetzen Bob.  I found that article in the Los Angeles Herald.  Of the 11 years listed, Fred Ross won it 7 times, Dorrler 3 times. Then Doc Hudson showed up and set the record until Singier tied it.  Several shooters fired 235's which beat Hudson's scores but not the 100 shot match.  Hope I'm reading it right.
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I wonder why we hear so much about other great shooters, and yet Dorrler's name gets so little press or acknowledgement? Seems anyone who shot this well would be as well known as other famous shooters?
  

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Old-Win wrote on Oct 29th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Thanks for the article, Schuetzen Bob.  I found that article in the Los Angeles Harold.  Of the 11 years listed, Fred Ross won it 7 times, Dorrler 3 times. Then Doc Hudson showed up and set the record until Singier tied it.  Several shooters fired 235's which beat Hudson's scores but not the 100 shot match.  Hope I'm reading it right.
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The link doesn't seem to work.. What search words did you use to find it? Thanks for posting.
  

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If you enter California Digital Newspaper Collection you will find it.  It is a wonderful source of schuetzen history. I heard of it years ago when trying to find information on the San Jose Rifle Club, which was organized in 1899.
  

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Mr. Meister, I used Dorrler's name but now I just searched using this - world champion shot los angeles herald nov 1903 -  and it came right up.  Hope it works for you.

Vall,  Seeing that Fred Ross won that event 7 0ut of 11 years puts him as the top shooter in my book.  Those that can do that almost year in and year out is very hard to accomplish.  Dorrler did it 3 times and by the looks of his picture, he was up in years compared to the rest.  The number of entries is listed at the right and it would sure be fun to see who some of the other shooters were.  Once in a while, a new shooter's name shows up and as they say "every dog has his day." That's not to take away any thing from Doc Hudson. I think writers back then like Lucien Carey, had a lot to do with who was the "King."
  
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