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Re: Mr. Roller
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The rifle appears, to me at least to be a sporing rifle with an octagon barrel. In the picture I have seen of Custer when he was on a buffalo hunt with the Russian Arch Duke he was using a military issue rifle with a full length stock. As to the death of Crazy Horse, it was always attributed to the Indian police, then it was uncertain. Now it was the soldiers who killed him.
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I've looked at and enlarged the better image found by
kootne
and there does seem to be something on Touch the Cloud's belt or more likely his right braid that together with the rifle being angled is the source of the action's "strangeness". In any case, it's certainly a rolling block.
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How about this one?
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Here is another of GAC with his rolling block rifle and a nice bull elk. I know for years there has been speculation about those rifles being the same rifle but I personally think the barrel is shorter in the Custer/elk photo than the one Touch the Cloud is holding. Remember George was about 9" shorter than the Indian. But both rifles do appear to round tops with heavy barrels.
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I don't know, the ratio of the length of the foreend to the barrel past the foreend seems to be about 3:4 in both.
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Well, I dug out a heavy barrel sporter (30.375" barrel) for comparison measurements. The GAC/elk picture doesn't give a good view of the end of the forearm so I compared length of receiver to barrel length. I am putting it at ~28.44"
On the Touches the Cloud rifle I measured the forearm and barrel and using the forearm length of my rifle (10.875) I am putting his barrel at ~30.5"
I blew the pictures up and used a Mitutoyo dial caliper to measure the pictures and a tape measure to get the rifle measurements.
I don't think they are the same rifle.
ymmv
I do think somewhere I heard the serial number of GAC's sporter was 3535 but that seems late for what looks like a roundtop. I only remember that because I have one #3735
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p.s. to the OP, I love the comment added to the picture!
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Custer had two Remington Rolling Blocks. One a hunting model that I believe was a .50-70 Sporting rifle, and a 2nd that was a standard Creedmoor Long Range model in .44-90 with 34" full octagon barrel, pistol grip stocks, and long range sights. This second gun was given to Custer after he wrote a letter to Remington telling them how much he liked the first Sporting rifle.
The 2nd gun was donated by Brice Custer to the Monroe County Historical Society in 1991. It is still in that museum
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