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Mr. Roller
Aug 1st, 2019 at 2:29am
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 8:39am
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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 11:41am
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That's a very early Roller too! Neat picture!
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 1:43pm
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looks a lot like Liz Warren

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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 6:48pm
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I've seen this picture and this man is named" touch the clouds". He was at the Custer battle and this rolling block might have belonged to Custer. Never authenticated as he didn't live to long after this picture and got rid of the rifle.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 7:15pm
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though he's heavily armed, he seems grim and defeated.

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Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 7:53pm
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The history says he wasn't at the battle but at the Cheyenne River Agency with his band. Says he was 6'9" and weighed 280 pounds. He didn't much need the guns when he was photographed in 1877. Later was a scout and went to Washington. Stayed the night with Crazy Horse at Ft. Robinson as Crazy Horse was dying from being bayoneted by an Indian policeman.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 9:58pm
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It was Sitting Bull who was killed - shot - by Indian Police.  As for Crazy Horse, while other Indians were involved in the Fort Robinson incident, both Indian and white sources agree that the bayoneting, some say accidental, some intentional, was by a white soldier.

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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 12:30am
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With the drop in that Rolling Block's receiver, it appears it might be an early split breech, which would pre date it to being Custer's gun if it is. 
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:04pm
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Did they make split breech sporting rifles? Trigger guard looks too far back for a split breech.
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Reply #10 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:03am
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powderman wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:04pm:
Did they make split breech sporting rifles? Trigger guard looks too far back for a split breech.


Sporting rifles were later in production, but that doesn't mean a split breech wasn't reworked as many military guns were. The forearm doesn't look like a sporter, as it appears much too thick and heavy. Maybe a cut down military forearm?
Or maybe this isn't even a Remington? Maybe it's a Whitney? 
Something really odd looking about that breech block too!
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 4:34pm
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Looks to be an octagon barrel. 

The poor quality and washed out nature of the picture does not help. The breech block, top of the receiver, top of the forearm and barrel ahead of the receiver blend in with Mr. Roller’s belly and belt. 

The forearm appears to have the half moon, found on the sporters, ahead of the receiver and, if I use my imagination, the breech block looks like a normal sporting rifle type.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:07pm
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I agree with Vall that the breech block area looks strange; but, as powderman notes, that may just reflect the poor quality of the image.

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Reply #13 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 9:50pm
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I don't see the normal rounded trailing edge that every Remington Rolling Block has? The breech block doesn't seem to show a thumb spur, or I can't see one? But the breech block looks like it's shaped more like a Ballard than a Roller from what I see.
Tried blowing it up, but it gets too blurry.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:08pm
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Hi marlinguy, try this image, it's higher resolution. I think that is a box stock Remington #1. There is something on his belt behind the rifle that is making it look wrong in the image on the thread but on this other image the hammer, receiver, Breechblock/thumbspur and forend all look right to me.

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