John, That tip looks about the same as my Hoch bullet.  I does it nearly every shot when it is shooting those itsy bitsy teeny weeny little groups.   

I wonder if anyone else has ever found year old lubes shoots a lot tighter groups? I'm if volume will make any difference?

beltfed wrote on Jul 8^th, 2019 at 3:20pm:

It is with all the lubes I have tried, both homemade and commercial. Jerry's Javalina, I think that is its name, works the best fresh, but not for more than a few shots. Dell lube would not shoot at all.  Target at 200 looked like a shotgun pattern 

Tipping isn't a problem Frank.  My first 250 was shot in the lower left quadrant of the 25 ring, except for 2 shots I shot in the upper right when I got scared about the edge of the 25 ring  .  The second hit too close to the edge at 1 o'clock, so I went back to my old hold to finish up shooting near the 7 o'clock edge .  Lots of teeny little groups after I figured out the secret.  That took a couple years, as I recall. 

20:1 shoots best with new bullets and new lube and a couple tenths less powder, than 30:1 best but with year or 2 old lube, 30:1 shoots just as well as 20 and the powder charge isn't critical.

I'm just not sure how to make a stickier, drier lube than Javelina or if I just have too much lube on the bullet.  If I make a bullet that carries less lubed, I'll make it a little shorter and lighter. 

I remember a 195 gr Saeco I borrowed from a friend to try in my .32-40.  It was fantastic.  I bought one that must have been a new cherry.  It was, maybe 5 grains lighter. It did not shoot worth a hoot!  I finally talked him out of it.  He wasn't using it anyway. Hope I'm not headed down that path again! 

When I first got that rifle, I wondered if I had made a mistake.  I called Buck Emmert and talked to him about it.  He  and Dorothy were well known for shooting Pope rifles in those days.  I don't recall anyone shooting a lot of 250s in those days.   Does anyone know if they shot a lot of them?  Seems like high 240s was the norm in the late 80 and into the 90s.

Shooting 1400 to 1450  the sight adjustments  from 100 to 200 are not enough to indicate enough arc to notice the approach angle on the target.  BTW, it only shoots that radical stock that well when I am practiced up. It was not easy to figure out that year old lube is the key to precision; without it, the others are irrelevant.

I didn't get the Windows conversion for Ballistic Explorer because I wasn't using it enough.  I don't recall the midrange on it, but I don't believe  it would be much more than a foot.  The arc would not be much. The incoming angle would not be more than about 2/10s of a degree.  Hardly visible to the naked eye    I have never thought about trying to calculate the tip angle, but it is obviously a lot more than that. 

I have never shot it much at 100, just a few shots at CBA matches. It does not display tipping there, at least not enough that I have noticed it.

The lube issue is indeed Interesting and one I have not experiencd myself. I also don't have a clue what the remedy might be freshly lubed has always worked out to be the better for myself.

Opps, it should read  "arc" -- trajectory
beltfed/arnie

I have shot them before BobZ maybe some even over a year old. There was a time back in early 2000 that I would cast and lube enough during the off season to last me through the year. And there were a few times I would still have some that would carry over into the next. I would also shoot them in the order as cast and also a means to keep track. I then moved on to casting the same but not lubing when I started using a lube pump and would lube them the night before or the day of the match. I personally always felt these freshly lubed consistently shot the best and at the time I was using Dell59C. In 2010 I had the lower row bones of removed from my right wrist and that ended my lube pump days. I then had to move onto pan lubing around that point in time and I also started using 75% Javelina Schuetzen Lube cut with 25% Dell59C and that is still what I am using today. I also tried a multitude of lubes starting back in 1998 doing lube experiment outings but none of them worked out as well for me.