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Reply #15 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 11:52am
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I don't think they used much other than paper patched bullets in those days, so not like they had much choice for different environments.
I'd be pretty surprised if the loaded cartridges were as long as the buttplate is high. That's one heck of a long cartridge for a Ballard, regardless of caliber.
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:26pm
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Just Jim,
Did the original information say what they were doing. It seems more like a hunting trip than a move in a covered wagon. I wonder because the wagon does not seem to be very crowded nor does it have water barrels and such tied to the side.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 5:21pm
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Yes, I agree with your assessment, and no, the only info I had was that the photo had come out of Nebraska. 

It seems a multi-day trip was planned, given the bedding in the wagon and the lady and little one not left behind. Wouldn't it be interesting to know some of the answers?
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 7:45pm
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The lady wearing gloves along with long sleeves and a wide brim hat were protection against the sun.  The men were likewise attired against the elements. My folks protected themselves similarly into the 1960's.  Somewhere in there we got stupid about the sun.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:22pm
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Yellowhouse's comments, though true enough, miss the historical point.  In that time, hats and long sleeves were de rigueur.  But the gloves look to me like riding/driving gloves, hence my earlier comment.

In any case, here's the real question: who took the picture?  And what was he (or just possibly she) doing out on the high plains with camera, tripod, plates, plate box or boxes, etc.?

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Reply #20 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 12:15am
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Bill, 
I have thought of that often, back in the day when people moved via wagon and even first automobiles, who would drag gear like that around.  But they were of a different sort, my grandparents had photos their parents had taken beginning when they first moved to a homestead in eastern Wyoming before the turn of the last century - and it wasn't just a couple of photographs.   
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Reply #21 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 9:31am
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Yes, GT, but the first hand-held "box" cameras didn't appear until 1888, and it took a while for them to become wide-spread.  I'd judge that the photo under discussion, the original almost surely printed from a plate, was taken some 5-10 years earlier.

And do you really think a pioneer-era Nebraska family, even a prosperous and progressive one, would've "dragged" around the kind of gear I described previously?

So again, this pictorial record was most likely made by a professional photographer or at least a skilled amateur one, and I'd love to know who and why.

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Reply #22 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 10:34am
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It's possible the family planned a hunting trip and a photographer from town came along to document it with photos.
A simple hunting trip with one or two men wouldn't likely be documented. But a trip that was long enough to involve hauling a wagon, gear, and the family, was a pretty big deal and they might have wanted it documented just for that reason. 
Wonder if they had other pictures taken of game harvested, and such? Would be interesting to see ....the rest of the story.

By the way, this image is pictured on page 164 of Dutcher's Ballard book and states it was taken in South Loop Valley near Broken Bow, Nb. in 1886. 
John's guess was a Montana with the young man, and a Pacific in the wagon. Broken Bow isn't a huge town today, and likely pretty small in 1886. But there are numerous small towns in the area, so not a big deal for a photographer to come out from town for the day, or days, to take some pictures of the hunt for the family.
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Reply #23 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 10:50am
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 19th, 2019 at 10:34am:
It's possible the family planned a hunting trip and a photographer from town came along to document it with photos.
A simple hunting trip with one or two men wouldn't likely be documented. But a trip that was long enough to involve hauling a wagon, gear, and the family, was a pretty big deal and they might have wanted it documented just for that reason. 
Wonder if they had other pictures taken of game harvested, and such? Would be interesting to see ....the rest of the story.

By the way, this image is pictured on page 164 of Dutcher's Ballard book and states it was taken in South Loop Valley near Broken Bow, Nb. in 1886. 
John's guess was a Montana with the young man, and a Pacific in the wagon. Broken Bow isn't a huge town today, and likely pretty small in 1886. But there are numerous small towns in the area, so not a big deal for a photographer to come out from town for the day, or days, to take some pictures of the hunt for the family.


Or... it's the edge of town and the photographer was like my wife... stop and turn around "I want to get a picture of you in all you your garb before you leave"   Grin Grin
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 11:15am
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When you get a chance use Sir Google and enter "Broken Bow Nebraska in 1886" check out images.  Somebody at the time was a busy photographer, there is a lot from that era.  It looks like they had a print shop among other things, so I can imagine the little blurb in the bottom corner of the local rag, 

"The Jones's left this morning on a month long hunting trip, loaded up with their Ballard rifles, wish them luck, they should have stopped by the General and got one of those new Winchester repeating rifles..."
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Reply #25 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 12:01pm
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GT wrote on Jun 19th, 2019 at 11:15am:
When you get a chance use Sir Google and enter "Broken Bow Nebraska in 1886" check out images. 


That was a good suggestion! One of the images was a nicely fitted out, two-story sod home! I can't say I've ever heard of such a thing. 

And now, I'm going to wander in here and see what's on the shelves. Any one else care to join me? 

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Reply #26 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 1:23pm
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I made my last comment somewhat in jest, but I grew up in very small community and when I was first learning to read, the local rag was published twice a week.  I remember reading stories used to fill up the pages, like "what was happening 50 years ago... so and so's sister, husband, kids 1-8 made the 14 mile journey in the wagon - had a wonderful afternoon, evening, and church the following morning, returning home by dark the following day"  This was news that was actually printed - it was a different time. 

That store, YES! if only we could.
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Reply #27 - Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:42am
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I think most of us older fellas recall when hardware stores were really hardware stores! When you could walk into one and find every nut and bolt, screw, etc. you wanted. Or you could walk down another isle and find fishing and hunting supplies. And down another isle and find automotive supplies.
Truly the last of the one stop shopping centers! And probably even more so 100 years ago!
  

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Reply #28 - Jun 20th, 2019 at 2:38pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:42am:
I think most of us older fellas recall when hardware stores were really hardware stores! When you could walk into one and find every nut and bolt, screw, etc. you wanted. Or you could walk down another isle and find fishing and hunting supplies. And down another isle and find automotive supplies.
Truly the last of the one stop shopping centers! And probably even more so 100 years ago!


I bought an 1851 Navy Colt repro in about 1971 or so, and it was my introduction to the world of bullet casting. I knew pure lead was required, and I walked into the S.F. Travis hardware store in Cocoa, Florida. It was a WONDERFUL place, with shelves full of old stock, and rolling "library" ladders to permit access to the high shelving. I learned later they had been founded in 1885. 

I asked for lead, and a grizzled old fellow asked "how much?" while pointing to a pig of lead on the floor. He chopped off a chunk with an axe, and a few hours later, I witnessed the magical transformation of cold, gray lead into a shiny, mercurial pool. What fun! 
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Reply #29 - Jun 21st, 2019 at 9:34am
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What I miss is at hardware stores is somebody who actually knows what their talking about. Now all you get is a kid who trys not to drool on his apron while pointing vaguely in a direction and mumbling asile 14.
  
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