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Jun 15th, 2019 at 10:21am
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Was puttering around on the computer today, and ran across this. As I recall, this was a Library of Congress image that I was able to use for an article on the Cody-produced Ballard Pacific. I just thought it was a great photo. 

Click the photo, then click again, and you can look at it in pretty good detail. 

Cheers...   Jim 

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Reply #1 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 10:40am
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Then being held we think is a Montana model the one in the wagon a Pacific.

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Reply #2 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 11:52am
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Beautiful picture of the times and it makes one wonder where they were headed at the time to possibly start a new life.
  

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JLouis wrote on Jun 15th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Beautiful picture of the times and it makes one wonder where they were headed at the time to possibly start a new life.


Yes! I love studying such photos. They spark the mind into all manner of imaginings!
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 12:15pm
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My Pacific in .40-70 SS. The Cody team surely did nice work! 

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Reply #5 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 12:35pm
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Cody's team at the time was turning out the highest quality of workmanship I have seen and what an extremely charming and beautiful rifle you have there Jim.
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 2:05pm
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The young fellow on the right is wearing a cartridge belt full of some very LONG cartridges.  I wonder what calibre his Ballard was chambered in?
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 7:56pm
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Reverend Al wrote on Jun 15th, 2019 at 2:05pm:
The young fellow on the right is wearing a cartridge belt full of some very LONG cartridges.  I wonder what calibre his Ballard was chambered in?


If it is indeed a Montana it would be .45-120. But hard to tell for me. Pacific could be .45-110 which is tough to determine difference in this image? A Montana would have a barrel that's much larger than the receiver, but I can't determine the barrel size in the picture.
This picture pops up every once in awhile, and always sparks good discussion!
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 8:24pm
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As many times as I've seen this photo, this is the first time I've had this "imagining".  The lady is wearing tight-fitting gloves.  Is she simply keeping the sun off her hands or is she at least sometimes driving the wagon?

As you said, old photos sometimes spark more than 1000 words!

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Reply #9 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 9:38am
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According to John Dutcher and the catalog the Montana was offered in only 45-100 2 7/8" The 45-100 chambering is the deciding factor as there were special order heavy barreled Pacific rifles made on other calibers.

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Reply #10 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:02pm
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40_Rod wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 9:38am:
According to John Dutcher and the catalog the Montana was offered in only 45-100 2 7/8" The 45-100 chambering is the deciding factor as there were special order heavy barreled Pacific rifles made on other calibers.

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My mistake. The #5 1/2 was not .45-120, but .45-100 Ballard. That's the .45 2 9/16", not 2 7/8" Sharps version.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:17pm
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Vall; actually the marking on a Montana Ballard is: 45 2 7/8 S,,,,, which I take to be Sharps
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Reply #12 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:24pm
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I blew it up pretty big and I think its a Pacific. Also above woman's head is another Pacific. Its only a guess but in the cartridge belt is a 40-90 or 40-85 Ballard.
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Reply #13 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 2:18pm
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Some of you folks have very good eye sight what are you using in the picture to try and judge the length of the cartridges on the belt by to come up with their possible length. Quigley just came on again so I recorded and watched it again late last night. The cartridges on his belt looked be longer than those in the picture and what I using to try to compare the length of those on the young man's belt.
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Reply #14 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 4:08pm
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This is terribly crude, but enlarging the image and holding a piece of paper to the screen to mark it, I note that the vertical height of the butt of the Ballard in the wagon is very nearly the same as the length of the loaded cartridges in the belt. The young fellow is at a slightly different distance from the camera, but not much.

The butt of my Cody-made Pacific is about 4 3/8" in height. I'm in the middle of a move, so I don't have access to my loaded .45-120-550 rounds nor to my reference books. 

What I can say is that the rounds in the belt certainly appear to be patched. I know it was done, but that seems like a tough environment for a patched bullet. Wouldn't take much moisture or rough handling to make a patched round tough to chamber. 

Or perhaps I'm biased by the issues I had with my old Farmingdale Long Range Express Sharps. Its barrel had that cotton pickin' "paper patch throat" and was quite fussy about rolling the leading edge of the patch unless spotlessly clean. 

The original information with that photo stated it was from Nebraska. So many little details to ponder about!
  
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