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Bulseyetom Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1025 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	Thanks to Ken I will soon be the owner of a HiWall in 40/65 with a .410 diameter barrel. Where does one look to find a die set for this bore size? I am hoping to find a Lyman 310 set of dies as an old rifle deserves old dies! Thanks. Tom


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LONG RANGE Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 414 Location: CHERRY VALLEY, CA Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2013	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	I bought Lyman Lyman cowboy action dies for my 40-65 and they are great. I don't know if Lyman makes the 310 dies for the 40-65 but if they do you will pay more for them than the CA dies.


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ww Full Member Offline Posts: 176 Joined: Apr 18^th, 2017	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #2 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 9:08am	Print Post
	I use a carbide 41 magnum die coupled to an all thread adapter to neck size my 40 calibers and bell the neck using the Lee belling die. Most of the dies I have over work the brass. WW


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GrumpyBear Full Member Offline Posts: 139 Location: Western,Pa. Joined: Sep 30^th, 2017	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #3 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 9:16am	Print Post
	I have different sets of 40-65 dies and use different parts from some of the sets,but also purchased a custom expander from Buffalo Arms, and a powder compression plug from them also. I see that they also have the Lyman 310 for 40-65 that was mentioned earlier.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18036 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #4 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Vintage loading tools of any kind for the .40-65 go huge money. Be prepared to shell out the bucks for loading tools, molds, or anything vintage specific to this caliber.

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4232 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #5 - Mar 28^th, 2019 at 5:20am	Print Post
	I use the .40-65 Lyman 3 die set Part # 7460490 which can be used for .408 to .410 diameter bullets.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1824 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #6 - Mar 28^th, 2019 at 10:12am	Print Post
	IMHO, I would form the brass with the Lyman FL die, Expand it with a 0.410/0.414 stepped exp die. Then fire the brass and Do Not resize/neck size it. Just clean , reprime and load the FF cases with powder and wad. Then Finger Seat the bullets in the loaded cases. No neck tension is the most uniform compared to going thru the efforts to neck size, expand, etc for a certain tension. I do run the expanding plug into the FF cases just to make sure they are still round and uniform after the tumble cleaning,etc. then after "a couple of reloading" of the cases having to anneal to restore the "uniform" neck tension beltfed/arnie


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4232 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #7 - Mar 28^th, 2019 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	I also believe in loading fired cases that are not FL sized. I use the Lyman expander to bell the cases to prevent shaving off lead when I insert a .410 diameter cast lead bullet. I push the bullet by hand down on the compressed powder with a .060 vegetqable wad on top. I then use a neck sizer (with depriming rod removed) to flatten out the bell on the loaded cases and to provide minimal neck tension. This provides good concentricity of the loaded cases with the bullet well aligned in the neck and the case better centered in the chamber. Without using the neck sizer to remove/flatten the bell and tighten the neck; my bullets will not chamber from the bell flare. I use the neck sizer to crimp my loaded cases. Without the crimping the bullets are too loose and wobble in the fired necks. I only anneal my cases every couple of years since I found the softer case mouths do not have sufficient neck tension and I end up with larger groups. Cases fired a couple of times after annealing end up case hardening enough and my group sizes are reduced. Some people are successful and get better sealing of their case mouths when they frequently anneal whereas others do better with more neck tension from cases that have not been recently annealed. Need to test your own firearm to see what it prefers.
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ireload2 Full Member Offline Posts: 169 Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #8 - Mar 29^th, 2019 at 1:57am	Print Post
	RCBS Cowboy and the orange box Lyman's have a .421 diameter in the neck of the FL sizer. Don't bother with Redding .40-65 dies. The neck of the FL die is only .416. Older paper box RCBS DIES non-Cowboy types are also .416.


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ireload2 Full Member Offline Posts: 169 Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009	Re: need 40/65 die set for .410 bullets Reply #9 - Mar 29^th, 2019 at 2:02am	Print Post
	RCBS Cowboy and the orange box Lyman's have a .421 diameter in the neck of the FL sizer. Don't bother with Redding .40-65 dies. The neck of the FL die is only .416. Older paper box RCBS DIES non-Cowboy types are also .416.


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