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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	German Stalking rifle I.D.? Mar 17^th, 2019 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	I am looking to I.D. this break action rifle, cal 8.15x46R Has proofs on barrel: "crown N Nitro" proofs on action right side just behind end of barrel: crown B, crown G, Crown N Excellent bore. looks like reblued., but action locks up tight, triggers and automatic safety work fine. Thanks beltfed/arnie


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #1 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	Another PIC


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #2 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	Bottom barrel flat proofs, caliber markings


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3758 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #3 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	It was nitro proofed for a 170 grain plain lead bullet in July of 1935, but I'd say it is probably an 8x48R Sauer. (7.7 over 48) There are no markings on the rib of the barrel? Slick little rifle. Is it just the photo angle or is that a really long barrel?


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #4 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Thanks, Oneatatime, for helping me with the markings for the proof date,etc. The barrel measures just a tad under 26". And, please look at the bottom barrel flat pic again. I will swear that the ctg length is 46, not 48. Note the curl on the top of the 6 in "46". Not closed like an "8" beltfed/arnie


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #5 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Also, I presume the "7.7mm" is the bore diameter, not the lands. I have also done a Cerrosafe chamber/bore casting. Groove dia is 0.316". case length, base dia,etc. Dimensions fit the 8.15x46R per "COW" the chamber also has a very long tapered freebore from the very slight case stop to the beginning of the rifling"leade" beltfed/arnie


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3758 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #6 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Yes, the bore. It would be correct for either the 8.15x46 or the 8x48. It is probably a 46 just looked like a 48 in the pic. I found a similar rifle in a 1924 catalog. I believe these would generally be called "Guild" rifles. Made in various shops and sold to retailers who would finish them and usually mark their names- or not! The freebore might allow for stop ring bullets.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #7 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	Oh, and No markings on the top flat of the barrel. It does have a two leaf sight. beltfed/arnie


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #8 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	Yes, Oneatatime, Thanks even more. That's it , even to the diagonal extractor at +- 4:00. Noted, I see, its called a "Simplex" action..., of course, some differences. Instead of a "hemi" profile stock mortice this one I have has a more or less rounded rectangular stock mortice. beltfed/arnie


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #9 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 7:31pm	Print Post
	Wrong, I was looking at the hemi "proud" profile of the stock opposite the "rounded rectangular stock mortice which is the same as mine. beltfed/arnie


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #10 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	Heres mine. Does use stop-ring bullets and is close to my shcuetzen rifle in accuracy. Fred


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #11 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	Arnie and Fred ... put these programs on your computers: Both programs for free to remove you rugs & table from the pictures and also crop your pictures (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Makes it much easier to view ... And please crop your pictures also to remove your floor - blanket - kitchen table - Your Feet and other background you laid the rifle on ... Free Tool to Crop Pictures ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1725 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #12 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:08pm	Print Post
	Thanks, John Boy. beltfed/arnie


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1018 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #13 - Jul 9^th, 2023 at 12:38pm	Print Post
	Ok, the thread is just a tad older than 4 years...... Anyway, I am following an auction for a Roux Stalking rifle in 8x48R Sauer. Anyone loading this cartridge? What brass are you using?

	Halt Fest! Ziel Gut! Schiess Fleck!
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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: German Stalking rifle I.D.? Reply #14 - Jul 9^th, 2023 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	Proofed in July 1933, other than that I don’t know much about kipplauf rifles. Mike


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