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Feb 23rd, 2019 at 7:27pm
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I heard this in a recent post!  If it's true, and each Ballard adds ten years there's a few on here that will live for a couple centuries...  Grin Grin  At the rate I'm going I should make it past the century mark as long as the proverbial "beer" truck doesn't run me over.  Wink 
Added a couple pictures, the Ballard at the bottom of the  picture is most current project.  It was and is going to remain a 22, picked it up - action only- needing springs and all the screws - made some progress today.  Sights are undecided yet but I started another front like the WR discussed recently.  The barrel is an new experiment for me, rather than the norm, lining an old barrel with 22, I turned one to fit inside a Damascus barrel off a 12 gage.  Got the inside coated with Shellac and when it cures out I'll see how the Damascus "pops".  Wood is coming but it's a ways out.
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 7:44pm
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That is a cool idea on the Damascus barrel. Love your projects.
  
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The Ballard might add Ten but a Steven's a Hi Wall and a Borchardt will add Twenty or more. 
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Ballards may add ten years, Borchardt may or may not add twenty, but a Winchester will keep you young forever. Wink

I sure hope that barrel comes out the way you plan. Can't wait to see this one!
  
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Has anyone seen what appears to be metal nose caps on those Ballard's?
My Ballard has cost me ten years. Third barrel, two homemade, BRC. 38-35, 32-40. All do about 1 1/2" at 100 yards.
Will keep at it. Other rifles do better.
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Chuck,
The ones with metal caps are both Merwin and Bray Ballards - manual extractors too.  One I lined to a 22rf and made an extractor to fit, shoots fairly well - they all come at a cost  Grin 
They all have a unique feel, I like Ballards, but I have a soft spot for Winchesters, but then there's a Hepburn, and the list keeps going... 
  

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That is my struggle I like them all. I don’t know about adding years to your life but definitely add interest to your years, which is just as good.
  
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Thanks, Greg. Had not noticed the metal nose caps before. Learned something.
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Since I'm now good for another 100 years, I'll have to change my will.
  
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Yes....everything I am today, I owe to Ballard Rifles;
  
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"Yes....everything I am today, I owe to Ballard Rifles;"

Got a chuckle out of that.

Couldn't come up with a tub that didn't require a lot of solution, a walk around Homodepot a thought came to me... a quick solution tub...
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Now, that barrel is going to get some comments. Bravo!
(Can't you hear them now, saying, ' step away, those old damascus tubes always blow up?.) I'd love to watch it go down.
  
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I use PVC pipe also for soaking barrels, or applying solution to barrels. I like the idea of more PVC as a stand under the PVC tube. Have to add that to mine.

Almost all pre-Marlin Ballard rifles had metal forearm caps, unless they were a carbine or military stock.
  

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calledflyer wrote on Feb 24th, 2019 at 6:02pm:
Now, that barrel is going to get some comments. Bravo!
(Can't you hear them now, saying, ' step away, those old damascus tubes always blow up?.) I'd love to watch it go down.


That was the first thing Amoretti said when I told him my idea! Grin
  

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I've listened at the range- I know all the railbird wisdom.
  
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That Damascus barrel is absolutely smashing!

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I sure hope that they do add 10 years to your life ... I have 4 of them so far!

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Reverend Al wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
I sure hope that they do add 10 years to your life ... I have 4 of them so far!

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I hope it's true too! I'm gonna live a very long time!
  

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Potential of centuries???   Grin
  

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Greg, if I recall correctly, I might be adding 360+ years to my life.
  

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One I am working on for a friend it came with a Perch Belly, Offhand is no longer doable and this one will now enable him to compete off the bench.

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How many years does refining, upgrading, restoring, or otherwise working on a Ballard add?

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Days spent working on old rifles do not diminish the days of your life.
Same as days on the water!

  

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Well, I guess I'm going to die young. I don't own a Ballard. Damn !!!  Dale.
  

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Dale,
There's a gun show coming up that can cure that problem, let us know if you need advice...  Grin   
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DWT1885 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
Well, I guess I'm going to die young. I don't own a Ballard. Damn !!!  Dale.


I been trying to help you gain some years by talking you into a Ballard! Wink
  

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Thanks guys but I seem to have 1885itis.  Dale.
  

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You don't own a Ballard?  How do you live with yourself?

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Well, I guess I'm going to die young. I don't own a Ballard. Damn !!!  Dale.

  

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The way I'm thinking, the way the magic of Ballards work - even if you owned one - it rubbed off, BUT, you had to have owned it, borrowed doesn't count.  I had one once when I was a dealer but that possession wasn't officially mine, just on paper for the short duration.   
When I first heard about this magic I was already 5 or 6 deep in them - ignorance is bliss I guess.  Huh 
I'm waiting on another to show up now, I feel fortunate! the sale price on Ballards with this secret out will probably be driven up again.  Sad
  

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I am no threat I am with DWT1885 he has his priorities set on the right track.
  

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Dale definitely is a dedicated 1885 guy. But I hear an occasional Hepburn slips past those 1885 doors too!
  

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I actually like them all Vall and it's actually quite hard to find one not to like.
  

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From a historical standpoint I like them all too. But there are some I've never had a desire to own personally. But I wont name names as I know I'm likely in the minority in my feelings about some of them.
  

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What I truly enjoy seeing and hearing is all of the individual tastes. And like you there are several I would not care to own but they are all indeed very charming and beautiful by there own unique and individual designs. 
  

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I would care to own any rifle I found very charming and beautiful by there own unique and individual designs. 
And I'm not afraid to say it.

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I'll know it when I see it - and may have to live ten years longer to pay for it!
  
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Well I own three Ballards. Only one is functional, it is a 61/2 Schuetzen with a Barrel by A.Elliot of Fall River Mass. The other is a Rigby that came to me as an empty Reciever, got an original Rigby 38-55 Barrel from Green Frog, have 
acquired a Breech block, am looking for wood. As I can not be trusted around Wood. It burns too easy. The third is .22 action that is complete and is the one with a Etched Engraving pattern on the Sides. Between these I am doomed to live to 107 Yrs. Not sure I want to, will have to start selling this stuff off. FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Always interesting and fun projects. If you regularly play with barrel length damascus, you could consider an upright pvc tank. I know of a few of them setup, takes very little surface area, and with a slip fit cap, ready to go at any time. I'm only wondering out loud, but maybe the breech end of a damascus barrel could be heated in a forge and flared on a mandrel to follow the contour right up to the face of the action. Sorry to drift off topic, but thanks again for showing your projects.
  
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Don't own Ballard YET but low walls high walls J STEVENS keep me looking yes SINGLE SHOTS keep me young  wish i knew how post photos  Max Grin
  
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I had considered placing a flange of some kind on the tube and use the PVC standing up right, still may make one.  As for swaging or flaring the barrel... I may do that, thanks for the idea.  I have 5 more Damascus tubes to experiment with.   

If anyone plans to dabble in this, I learned a few do's and don't but for the most part it's similar to stuffing a liner in a barrel - only in reverse.  If you use a shotgun barrel, cut the choked area off before trying to figure length of barrel you're messing with.  Same with the chamber end, don't go thinking you'll fit the liner to it, more hassle than it's worth.  My barrel length ended up finishing at 26".   And finally, when I do the next one, I'll use acraglas or loctite - I tinned this one, it worked but it's considerable effort and not really needed.

There's a couple more things about this 22 project that I haven't mentioned yet, I'll have a little more to report on after some range time with it.  Roll Eyes

Hopefully I've added yet another 10 years, should be a Ballard showing up tonight or tomorrow.   Cheesy



  

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I added another ten years tonight!  The guy said he did a chamber cast and the dimensions he was giving came out close to a 38-56.  When it showed up I gave the bore a little cleaning and dropped that cartridge in it, it is!  It's a cast action which makes me nervous so I'm very doubtful I'll ever shoot that cartridge in it.  It has been shot a lot, it locks up tight and from looking at the face of the breech block, wear indicates that was the cartridge.  The bore slugged .375 - there's a little pitting but the rifling is pronounced.  Numbers all match and that's the part that intrigued me - X777.  I think I have another makings of a 22, happen to have a Crossno style liner assembly I made that will drop in... and it is a dual firing pin breech.  Smiley  Another extractor of sorts, Hmmm.
  

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If it's numbers matching, then it likely was either a .38 Long rechambered to .38-56, or a .32 Long rebored, and chambered in .38-56. Either way, as you say I'd never shoot it, even with lighter loads.
Might be a good candidate to sleeve the chamber, and then reline it to a smaller caliber.
  

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I built a Ballard from a rusty chewed up but forged frame picked up at a gun show.  It now has a barrel made from aTJ liner in 38-55 and DOM tubing. If it ever warms up I am anxious to go try this out.  They are predicting above zero weather later this week so there may be hope.
  
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Rex that is really nice!    I once owned a Ballard Pacific that was pretty interesting.  It was a light weight barrel in .40-85 with a shotgun buttplate.   I bought it sight unseen from a dealer in Ontario Canada.  The bore was rated good and I asked them to have a good look at it before I completed the purchase.  When I got it, it was clear that the bore was good because it had been relined Smiley, but the chamber had a large bulge.   I ended up selling it off, but I probably should have kept it. 

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A shotgun buttplate on a Pacific is pretty rare variation Chris! See them on Midrange #4 1/2 and Longrange #7, but not often on a Pacific.
Was it smooth steel, hard rubber, or checkered steel? If it was smooth steel Marlin used Model 1881 Marlin buttplates for the smooth steel.
  

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I only bought a frame but the breach block from my 40-85 pacific fits perfectly so I am using it until I find another or make one.  I loaded up 50 rounds this morning and it is up to -8 now so I think I will give it a try.  I almost put a shot gun buttplate on this one but the plank had some serious knots to work around and I couldn’t get things lined up for a shotgun butt plate.  Hopefully in 38-55 it will be okay.  My 40-85 pacific has a crescent plate and you don’t shoot it often without a slip on recoil pad.  I had the bruises to prove the point.
  
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Reply #47 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:45pm
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 10:18am:
A shotgun buttplate on a Pacific is pretty rare variation Chris! See them on Midrange #4 1/2 and Longrange #7, but not often on a Pacific.
Was it smooth steel, hard rubber, or checkered steel? If it was smooth steel Marlin used Model 1881 Marlin buttplates for the smooth steel.


Val it was the hard rubber buttplate.  I bought the rifle from a place in Ontario that was selling part of a collection of rifles owned by a guy named Ted Girodat who was a gunsmith and collector of single shots.  He seemed to like unusual rifles.  I still have two of his highwalls.   

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Reply #48 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:50pm
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Val I found a couple of pictures of my old rifle:

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Reply #49 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 2:00pm
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Does anybody make an insert for the lever that is shown on Chris's rifle like the Shuttleworth/Stevens rifles or do you have to make them yourself?
  
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Reply #50 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 3:18pm
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Old-Win wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Does anybody make an insert for the lever that is shown on Chris's rifle like the Shuttleworth/Stevens rifles or do you have to make them yourself?


If you mean the wooden "ball" that fills the ring on the Pacific, then the answer is nobody makes one. If they did, it would need to be just a close fit, as they were hand finished, and not all exactly alike. I've made a few from scrap walnut, and they're not too hard to make. Even a amateur with wood llike me can make them.
  

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Reply #51 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 10:11pm
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I shot my new Ballard today, it warmed up to -15 with the windchill so it was cool on my fingers and then some.  I only shot light loads of Unique 8.8 gr under a 250 gr lee bullet but it shoots really well.  I think this could easily become my favourite rifle.  I am looking forward to some warmer weather and full charges of black under a 330 gr bullet.
  
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Reply #52 - Mar 10th, 2019 at 4:04am
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do you feel any younger?

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Reply #53 - Mar 10th, 2019 at 8:38am
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Much younger and preserved by the freezing.  I think it is the shooting of a ballard that makes us younger, we just need to shoot more to find the fountain of youth.
  
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Reply #54 - Mar 10th, 2019 at 8:55am
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Rex N wrote on Mar 10th, 2019 at 8:38am:
Much younger and preserved by the freezing.  I think it is the shooting of a ballard that makes us younger, we just need to shoot more to find the fountain of youth.



^^^^^^ WHAT HE SAID! ^^^^^^
  
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Reply #55 - Mar 10th, 2019 at 11:21am
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OK!!!  I just needed some motivation, I'll finish the extractor on mine! Put on the snow shoes and go to my range- I need something that makes feel younger today...  Grin
  

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