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Feb 17th, 2019 at 7:39pm
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Kinda like a survey. What lead/tin ratio you use and why?
All I have used is 20 to 1. Is there an advantage to a softer bullet?

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Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2019 at 8:07pm
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I use 1-16 Keith it helps to elminate the issues of nose slump and the results are smaller 200 yard groups and it has worked out very well for me. I actually like 1-10 allot more but it has caused some minimal leading issues in one rifle but nothing real serious just a bit unwanted by me.
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2019 at 8:15pm
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20:1 for BR and 30 for offhand.  The 30 is a little easier to BS and shoots well within the wobble zone  Roll Eyes

30:1 for BPCR and 50:1 for RB. 

50/50 WW/lead for BPCR LR duplex loads.
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Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2019 at 8:19pm
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I use 9+1 coww/lino for most bullets for:
BPCR, regular and Magnum Handgun, CBA Vin Mil, and Deer Hunting.
Works very similar to 16+1 Pb/Sn. Noted my 9+1 works
better for me for BPCR, including greasers and PP bullets.
Also use straight Lino for CBA Vin Mil , e.g. 30-06,etc.
But for my 25-20, I switched to 19+1 Pb/Sn
May also try16+1  for Schuetzen this year.
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Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2019 at 8:26pm
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Personally, I don't think anyone can "prove" that anything between 16/1 and 30/1 is superior. There is even a PB CBA shooter, winning matches in the PNW, using 40/1. I have never even been brave enough to try 40/1.

A lot of ASSRA records have been set with 24 or 25/1.

I use 22/1, just to be different Smiley

In my early days (1980's) I tried 30/1 and did better with it in testing. I used it for awhile and shot one bad match, I switched back to 20/1 but, now I don't think it was the alloy, just a bad day.

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Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2019 at 10:03pm
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I started out using 30-1 because that's what I was using in BPCR Silhouette when I got into Schuetzen. 

A few years later I changed to 25-1 because that's what most everyone I shot with was using. 

As I got more serious about Schuetzen I changed to 20-1 on the advise of John Louis.

My scores have improved along the way, but I believe that has more to do with trigger time, experience, and lots of good help and advise from fellow competitors.

I never did any side-by-side testing with alloys. 20-1 is working for me and I see no reason to change. If I had the time I would do some testing now trying even harder alloys. Unfortunately that's not in the cards at this time.

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Reply #6 - Feb 17th, 2019 at 11:02pm
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I went the other way myself. I started out using 15:1 and now I use 30:1. I initially made the change to make my tin go farther, and I never noticed any leading or accuracy issues, or changes. So I've stuck with 30:1 to keep stretching my tin out.
Most of my shooting is longer distances, but with smokeless, not BP.
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 3:34am
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My Stevens Pope .33-47 shoots slightly better with 20 than 30. The 30 did not show 250 potential. I don't have any precise numbers any more.  The shooting was done over 25 years ago.  Interestingly, after the lube has dried for a year or longer, the 30 improves enough it seems to shoot as well as the 20.  That is a casual observation.  I have not tested 20 against 30 using year old bullets.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 8:55am
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I use isotope lead as that is where my supply of lead is. Im not sure what the mix is but has a BHN of 10.5 on most containers according to the charts. I need to pay Hot-Shots a visit,  its been over a year. 
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Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 9:43am
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Keith
You have raised a good issue and worthy of extended discussion. IMO, bullet design plays a significant role in choosing the proper alloy. 
For 200 yard target shooting, a blunt, Pope-type bullet will work with a wide variety of alloys in my experience. A long-nose spitzer, will likely require a harder alloy to prevent nose slump. The fly in the ointment on my nose slump premise is that unless you can capture fired bullets in undamaged condition, there's no real way to analyze what is actually happening.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:43am
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I use 1-16 Keith it helps to eliminate the issues of nose slump and the results are smaller 200 yard groups and it has worked out very well for me.

DITTO ... Dan Theodore several years ago posted his findings of 1:16 on the Shiloh Forum before he passed on.  Then he wrote a detailed article in the BPC News with pictures of bullet slump 1:16 verses 1:20 and 1:30

I use 1:16 for all calibers under 1400 fps - smokeless & black powder except my 22LR BP reloads. Over 1400 fps I go to the harder alloys. Preventing nose slump aids accuracy for all distances especially Mid and Long Range shooting having compared bullets of various alloys dug out of the berms and snow banks
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 11:30am
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John,
I'm curious how bullets dug out of the berm could be examined for nose slump? Wouldn't striking the berm deform the noses, and taint any inspection for slump?

I've heard a lot of talk about nose slump, and it's affect on bullets, but never figured out how people measured it, or captured bullets without damaging the nose and creating the slump in the process. Even snow will have some impact effect on bullets.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:05pm
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DITTO ... Dan Theodore several years ago posted his findings of 1:16 on the Shiloh Forum before he passed on.  Then he wrote a detailed article in the BPC News with pictures of bullet slump 1:16 verses 1:20 and 1:30

I would like to see that article and pictures. Perhaps it could shed more light on the subject.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:21pm
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Vall Barry Darr built and preformed catch box testing and found nose slumps from five thousandths on up.
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:23pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Vall Barry Darr built and preformed catch box testing and found nose slumps from five thousandths on up.


Hopefully Barry will chime in.
  
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