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Recutting Ideal Molds
Jan 18th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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Just wondering if there is anyone out there recutting older Ideal molds to larger calibers? I have a few that I would like recut without having to pay $150.00 for a new mold cut in new blocks. 
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Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 3:16pm
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Flatlander   Noe, Accurate and others sell exeptional moulds for half what you are suggesting. You might look at their websites
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 4:36pm
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rkba2nd:
I have but those are mostly made in large aluminum or brass blocks. I much prefer iron blocks for my use although I do have some of each aluminum and brass. Small light Ideal iron blocks to me seems the best for long casting sessions. Preferences?
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Reply #3 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 1:00am
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Flatlander-  To be quite honest, I for a very long time used only iron blocks, primarily because there was no other choice, aside from a rare Schoyen or other old custom brass mould. I still don't own an aluminum mould, although have tried them, all Lee's. The lee moulds left a lot to be desired, design wise, so stuck with iron,  Lyman, SAECO Darr, SAECO, Winchester, Hensley, Hensley and Gibbs, Modern Bond, Belding and Mull, and custom,Hoch,   Ron Long, Barnett, Jones etc. I now have brass from NOE, and have found them to be very well made and cast beautiful bullets. I also ordered an iron Accurate mould for an 8.15 x 46R, and it is also very well made and casts a nice bullet. Both of these gentleman were very pleasant to deal with, and I felt the moulds were well worth the cost, which was still considerably less than you mentioned. I am not trying to convince you of anything,  just passing on my experience. Good luck and best regards. Krag
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 2:17am
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'T'would seem to me that setting up an old mould for recutting wouldn't be any easier than starting with a new set of blocks.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 9:30am
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uscra112 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 2:17am:
'T'would seem to me that setting up an old mould for recutting wouldn't be any easier than starting with a new set of blocks. 


    Making blocks from scratch is a lot more trouble than re-cutting old blocks.   Some makers will sell "raw" blocks -- I have gotten some from LEE to work with, tho the decision to sell them had to come from Mr LEE, hisself.   It comes down to what your time is worth.   If you are in business, you generally can't afford to make anything that you can buy ready-made.

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Re: Recutting Ideal Molds
Reply #6 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 10:11am
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Some of those old Ideal moulds are worth more on the collectors market than a new set of factory made blocks.
In the larger bullets those old Ideal blocks heat up pretty fast and don't work exceptionally well for extended casting sessions.
I would think picking up a set of "new" Lyman or RCBS blocks would be the better way to go for recutting.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 10:57am
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Kind of mute point at the moment. Haven't found anyone that recuts them as of yet. I have some Ideal blocks that sell for less than $15.00 on evilbay and not worth the effort to sell. Thought they may.be able to be recycled?
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Reply #8 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:51am
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The only "recut" I ever had done was to have one cavity of a 2 cavity  Lyman 38-55 gas check mould changed to a plain base.  Cost me $10 and worked very well.  But, I'd say that was a whole lot less than re-cutting the blocks into a new caliber.
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Reply #9 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:35pm
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Opening a base is a far cry from cutting or recutting a mould, and at ten dollars, the work was either a labor of love, done in another century, or the gentleman was a glutton for punishment. I really feel you would be best served with a new mould. Both NOE and Accurate make copies of some very good mould designs from some custom makers, and some unavailable moulds from the past. I know that NOE has sales frequently that could save you some on the cost. Again, good luck in your quest. K.R.A.G.
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 6:29pm
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Yes, taking out the gas check is pretty simple and a far cry from re-cutting a mould.  I believe  I said that in my previous post. That was done by Tom Ballard in Clancy, Montana.  Trying to remember when but guessing 15-20 years back.  I also have a really nice adjustable 45 caliber paper patch  mould he maid.  Runs bullets from 350 to 550 grains.  I don't think he is making moulds anymore and may have passed away as I haven't seen him for a while.

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Reply #11 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 6:50pm
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I also had Tom Ballard make an adjustable paper-patch mould to my diameter specification.  It fit large Lyman handles,  It wasn't a fancy mould, but it was well finished where it had to be, the halves fit together perfectly, and even 35-40 years ago it seemed a bargain at $40.  Mr. Ballard also made other things to order for me, and as far as I'm concerned, he never got the recognition he deserved.

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Reply #12 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:03pm
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What calibers would you cut the Ideal’s too if you did do it
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:17pm
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I could use a 322 base for my 32-40 and a 409 base for my 40-65.
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Reply #14 - Jan 21st, 2019 at 4:11pm
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Flatlander don't give up if I was in better health I would re-cut that .322 for you and a very wise decision on your part so don't let anyone talk you out of trying to get it accomplished.
  

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