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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #15 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 11:11am
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We have already determined his bullet is not too long for his twist - instead we were indicating it was too short and spinning too fast earlier.

Ballistician Bryan Litz:

"There are potential precision advantages of keeping SG under 2.0.
The conversation above wasn’t addressing dispersion, only the flight mechanics of overly stable bullets.
In other words, additional drag is not a concern for SG over 2.0, elevated dispersion might be. Two different things."
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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #16 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 11:24am
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You may have determined that , but nobody with any real world experience in long range shooting will have reached that conclusion.
One other thing, a bullet need not be tipping or key holing to have lost stability. One can often see a bullet going down range thru the spotting scope and instead of a fairly straight arc, it will look more like its riding in to the target on the handrail of a spiral stair case.
  
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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #17 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 3:36pm
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I'm not sure that ANYTHING has been determined for certain from the scant information given, just a lot of conjecture that may or may not be apropos but does have validity in some circumstances.

I NEED to see the ACTUAL target to see the ACTUAL amount hole elongation,  the weather conditions and more about the loads/COAL/ETC...absent that, we're just blowing smoke about our favorite thoughts and aspects and speaking to the choir.

I would hate for a surgeon to use this limited  amount of into to operate on my brain when all that was wrong was an in grown toenail...

Have any of you actually looked at the RPM difference between a 1/14 and a 1/16 and run the numbers?  There are several good free software programs devoted to that particular subject.

A 0.410" dia bullet needs to be ≈1.70" long to have an optimum of 1/14...at ≈1450 fs fs - RPS 1228, ≈1.55" long for a 1/16, RPS 1038 at ≈1450 fs ....a 1.32" SAECO 740 bullet at 1/19, RPS 912 at ≈1450 fs, where it is optimum from ≈600 fs to ≈1500 fs...that is revolutions per SECOND...(went blind for a second)

At 1445 fs a 14 T barrel hits ≈1240 RPS and a 16 T hits ≈1085 RPS, ≈155 RPS DIFFERENCE...but it is an understood fact that it is hard to over-spin a good bullet, jacketed OR cast.

Basically it's all relative...relative to a ton of variables and no one sticks to the original premise...things go sideways VERY FAST. 

Enjoy
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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #18 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 8:48pm
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It's not really conjecture, at least not in my opinion Smiley.  I've shot thousands of Saeco #740, and thousands of 409400M4 Money bullets through my 1:16 and 1:14 twist Shiloh Sharps rifles.   The twist is rate is fine.    Mostly in the 1:16 twist rifle as I've owned it longer.  I've never had the slightest problems with either bullet regardless of conditions, except for a ram I once rung in Silhouette with the #740.   With that Saeco #740 bullet I shot the second highest 600 yard target at the Rocky Mountain Regional a few years ago.   That was in 20+ mph quartering winds using a 1:16 twist rifle.   

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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #19 - Feb 4th, 2019 at 9:38am
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Flintlock,
Here is a bullet that has worked for 14 twist 40-65s
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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #20 - Feb 4th, 2019 at 10:18am
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Used peroxide in my cleaning routine many years ago and would find a red (rust) stain on a white patch after a few days storage. Not the cause of your problem but something I dropped.
  
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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #21 - Feb 4th, 2019 at 2:22pm
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See what I mean by "GOING SOUTH"...I don't think ANYONE ever said the 740 was PI**-poor bullet...the original posit was basically POOR ACCURACY with it in HIS RIFLE and that Flintlock was using it and he wanted some help to "fix an accuracy problem"...then a few posts down the road it all went to heck with posters positing THEIR FAVORITE CONJECTURES and no one listening to the others or even Flintlock...THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.   

What you or your cousins or all the rest of the world did in a PAST match doesn't mean squat doodley if the "rest of the story" is missing...we're NOT talking about YOUR GUN or YOUR fame...who cares what you did, I care what I can do for FLINTLOCK, HE'S THE ONE NEEDING HELP, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T...Flintlock was asking for help with HIS GUN and HIS problems...WITHOUT providing enough/adequate information. and so far NO ADDITIONAL INPUT.  This happens WAY to often on forums...one or two questions/posts then the poster disappears for good.

The major problem with ALL forums is everyone wants to talk about THEIR thing and only cursorily attentive to what others want to do/need/asking.

I was hopping this forum would be different...I should have know better. Smiley Smiley

Hobble on.
  
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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #22 - Feb 4th, 2019 at 3:16pm
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Seems like a lot of useful information has been offered here, no need to get riled up, lots of good folks here that want to help.

Definitely could use some more details from the OP.
  

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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #23 - Feb 4th, 2019 at 7:34pm
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The load and fouling management seems pretty good to me.  At least the one with BP.  I have never tried smokeless in the .40-65 so I can't say.

The 20:1 alloy and lube are also quite reasonable to me. 

I had a C Sharps 1885 once with a freebore that was quite a bit over groove diameter.  Something like 0.005" over as I recall.  In order to make that rifle shoot well it needed the fattest bullet that I could fit into the case.   

Bill have you done a chamber cast by any chance to check the dimensions?

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Re: Help with a 40-65 1/14" twist
Reply #24 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:23pm
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I think his .025 poly wad is too thin.
  
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