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Would this re-barrel be a waste of time?
Jan 10th, 2019 at 9:54am
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I got a really nice Sharps Borchardt from an estate.  The current barrel is a in 45-70, it shoots well but I am really not liking the recoil.  A second barrel came with it, a Marquard? I believe very good condition.  The problem is that it is in 30-30 chambered for breech seating and also has a 12" twist.  I've been watching Schuetzen match results and not ever seen this 30 cal. combination ever being listed.  Could it be said that this combination would not be competitive with the majority of 32 cal. chamberings already out there?
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 10:22am
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I recall reading that Harry Pope said the .30-30 was an inherently accurate cartridge, despite the lever action rifles being chambered in it.  With the mould makers using CNC machinery, an outfit like Accurate could give you any .32 design in a .30 diameter.  In addition, there are more .30 caliber designs out there to pick from than any other caliber, unless it’s maybe .38 pistol bullets.  Many of them are good to 500 yards or so.

Depends on the barrel and loading, of course, but I don’t think a .30-30 would give up much to a .32 caliber at 40-rod distances.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 10:47am
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In a quality bolt action or a good single shot, the .30-30 is a very accurate cartridge.  Track down a Remington Model 788 in that chambering and do some accuracy testing with one.  You'll be surprised (and pleased).

I'm sure a Stevens 44-1/2, Winchester High Wall, your Sharps or another appropriate action would do as well.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:36pm
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rikkit, It sounds like the 30-30 barrel is by Atkinson & Marquert Rifle Co., which is good. There's lots of .308 bullet molds out there, and I'd recommend Ideal 311403 which is a 30 caliber tapered Pope bullet. It sounds like you've already got what you need...you might post some pics.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 2:22pm
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The rifle is not a collector's item since it has already been re-barreled.

The rifle would make an excellent Schuetzen rifle if the trigger has a fine pull weight of less than one pound.

The existing barrel could have a liner installed or the action could be re-barreled.

Your approach is dependent on how much you are willing to spend to convert it forthe shooting discipline you wish to become involved in.

The caliber and barrel twist is dependent on whether you wish to shoot smokeless powder in ASSRA or ISSA events or if you wish to shoot Black Powder Schuetzen, or BPCR Silhouette or long range Black Powder Target shooting. 

You could try the Schuetzen game with what you have and from your endeavours be exposed to shooters and equipment that may influence you to what you wish to convert the rifle to.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 2:55pm
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I would try the 30-30 and see if you can get it to shoot. If you shoot with a group already you may be able to borrow a mold or get a few bullets to try. Cases are abundant. If it proves to not shoot rebarreling later is a option still. If 45-70 barrel shots well I would not reline it, just set it aside. Do you have an extractor for the 30-30 barrel?
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:30pm
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If your barrel, is in deed a Atkinson & Marquert Rifle Co. this is what my A&M barrel will do, at 200 yards, BSed. It's 30/40 Imp but, I shot this target with a reduced capacity case.

I've shot 30 cal in competition for at least 12 years, in 3 different chambering's (32/35, 30/40 Wesson & my 30/40 Imp). I've only done a little with the 30/30 and haven't shot it in competition but, it will work as well as a 32/40 if you do your home work.

A good BSer, mold and then work up a load, is all you'll need, if there are no issues with the rifle, it's self, such as trigger, forearm & butt stock bedding.

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Reply #7 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 5:39pm
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The 30-30 has already proven itself to be a very competitive breech seating cartridge same as the 28 when in the right hands. It's really all about if you would be willing to give it all of the time and effort it would take on your own behalf to allow it to then  take you where ever it is you are wanting to go competitively. It won't cut you short of any of the goals that you might set for yourself along the way by any means it's all simply left up to you.
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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 12:09am
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I'd really give the 30-30 barrel a good shot ( pun intended). I had a Winchester 54 action that had a badly pitted barrel and even with the factory sights would shoot great groups. Always seem to have missed out on the Rem 788 in 30-30. Did have one in 222 that shot like a house afire. Frank
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:06am
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
If your barrel, is in deed a Atkinson & Marquert Rifle Co. this is what my A&M barrel will do, at 200 yards, BSed. It's 30/40 Imp but, I shot this target with a reduced capacity case.

I've shot 30 cal in competition for at least 12 years, in 3 different chambering's (32/35, 30/40 Wesson & my 30/40 Imp). I've only done a little with the 30/30 and haven't shot it in competition but, it will work as well as a 32/40 if you do your home work.

A good BSer, mold and then work up a load, is all you'll need, if there are no issues with the rifle, it's self, such as trigger, forearm & butt stock bedding.

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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 10:12am
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What a great place. Where else can one proudly proclaim to be a BSer and be praised for it by so many others? Cheesy
  
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calledflyer wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 10:12am:
What a great place. Where else can one proudly proclaim to be a BSer and be praised for it by so many others? Cheesy


???....I breech seat, what's the big deal!
  
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Maybe you're a BSer too. Think about it......
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 4:37pm
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Lol, no doubt I'm on the site's sanctimonious ass's list. John Louis has added more knowledge and help to others than all you combined yet your kind will never stop with the barbs until he is removed. Ever think aout live and let live?....
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Reply #14 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 8:30am
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I recall having a high wall in 30/30 at one time .  It shot very nicely, but mama needed a new van and it and a Ballard left my house.  I think you will find it both pleasant to shoot, and quite accurate.
  

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