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Reply #15 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:28am
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Thanks for the heads up, Vall.  From now on when it comes to barrels, I'll always fill and peen.

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Reply #16 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 10:15am
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Frank,will be at Spokane all 10 days this year.....Will of course be shooting Gorgeous Ugly.Fondling tickets on sale..LOL.  For the time being,will leave the gun alone,maybe just leave it as it is,its a classic and is what it is. I appreciate the advice and knowledge on this forum. I always wonder how many Guys held this gun and the stories behind them. Thanks,Pete
  

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Reply #17 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:00pm
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kensmachine wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:07am:
I have seen screw holes in barrels plugged  that when done you couldn't  see them and where not welded.  Al Perry was one that did it but he is long gone and he would not work on anyone's gun but his own. his neighbor is also one that does this. Ken 


Al is another who told me not to weld on barrels. He and Denny are the ones who explained to me how to fill holes and dovetails and peen them to make them disappear. Denny showed me to not use screws, but instead to tap rod short, so the threads ended before the rod bottomed out in the barrel. Then cut the rod about 1/16" long and peen it down. Then draw file.
Same for dovetails. He told me to make my own hand filed fillers that would drive in tight. Then cut them long and peen each end. Then draw file the fillers too. 
I've followed their advice for years to fill holes and dovetails. When rust blued the difference in metals between filler and barrel wont ever show, but if hot blued dissimilar alloys can be slight color differences. 
  

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Reply #18 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 1:17pm
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I like it!
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 1:40pm
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Kensmachine I have filled a few holes using the same method and really not all that difficult to execute. One only needs to be very careful and cautious of not damaging the surrounding area around the plugged screw hole while doing the work. If so when all is said and done it can longer be seen or found by the eye of the one who has done the work.
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 3:03pm
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In addition to the steady and patient hand, it helps greatly if the hammer face is well hardened, slightly domed, and blemish free and mirror polished.

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Reply #21 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 6:13pm
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A nicely ground tool and to size for the job at hand along with a magnifying visor can be a bit more helpful than just a hammer in hand. Just the way I prefer to go about it and to me there is no right or wrong way to go about it as long the finished result turns out to be the same.
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm
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I second and third the use of an Opti-Visor or its clone, especially if your eyes are finally starting to get as old as the rest of you.

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Reply #23 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 9:56pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 3:03pm:
In addition to the steady and patient hand, it helps greatly if the hammer face is well hardened, slightly domed, and blemish free and mirror polished.

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I use a plain old ball peen hammer to work the donor metal down. Then once peened down, it is expanded enough that when draw filed the joint doesn't show.
  

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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 10:48pm
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Marlinguy just so those who might not be aware of and who might not be in the know. The problem with just using a screw to plug and peen is the odds is there will still be void left from a thread that cannot be peened over or covered up and why Marlinguy mentioned the process of using a per-say short threaded stud and please correct me if that was not presented quite correctly I wasn't quite sure how else to word it so one could actually picture it in his mind.
  

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Reply #25 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:21am
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That's what I said. I use threaded rod because screws wont fit tight enough. Rod being short threaded will tighten into the hole before it bottoms out, thus fully filling the hole at the top. Cutting the rod off about 1/16" or longer above surface will then allow the metal to expand even further when peened, prior to draw filing.
I also use mild steel rod, as it forms easier, and makes a better filler. Same for the dovetails where I make my fillers from mild steel stock also. Dovetails are much trickier as I use a body and fender dolly on one end while peening the other end. Then switch to do the opposite end.
  

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Reply #26 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:21pm
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That Germanic style of carving on the stocks reminds me of some stocks I've seen on Arthur Hubaleck rifles from the '30's. I understand that he sent stocks to Europe and had them carved there.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:24am
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Very interesting.I have searched all over trying to find something in the line of this Ballard stock.German Craftsmen makes sense! Pete
  

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Reply #28 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:20am
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The butt stock looks to have been inspired by those "radical" Schuetzen stocks from the Geo. Schoyen shop back about the turn of the 20th century. The forestock shows definite Stevens influence. IMO
It's an handsome rifle.
  

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Reply #29 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 11:08am
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Didn't realize that Henry Simmons ever did any stock carving when he was the stock maker at Schoyen's shop? I've seen some elaborate stocks he made, but haven't seen any with as much carving as the OP's Ballard has.
Simmons' stock work is just about as good as any great stock maker of the 1800's and early 1900's! His schuetzen stocks done at Schoyen's, and Peterson's shop are exquisite!
  

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