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Reply #60 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 10:51am
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You wont have any trouble finding lodging near the gun show in Denver Aaron, if you get it in the next month or so. Might even find rooms still available in the motel connected to the show, so you don't need a shuttle to the show.
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Reply #61 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 12:33pm
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"Life's tough. It's tougher when your stupid."

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Reply #62 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 4:52pm
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Gunfunpow wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 11:53pm:
Yeah, it can be disheartening going to  gunshows these days. No great bargains leaping off the tables. Lots of high priced junk and trinketry. Hardly worth the time of the drive or the stiff admission fee. So, why do we go? Because you never know, that's why. True fact, I bought a well preserved 1942 byf Luger below market price because the dealer, who sold mostly all modern stuff, was ignorant of how a salt blued Luger should look. Most telling was his explanation that because the strawed parts were blue, that fact was a dead giveaway to the supposed refinish. Some of you may be horrified that I took advantage of this poor dealer. However, I paid his $1000.00 asking price without batting an eye. I got my pre-model 27 S&W for the price of a regular model 19 because the dealer missed the S prefix serial number and lack of model number inside the frame. Life's tough. It's tougher when your stupid. If you're in business to buy and sell guns, you should have an encyclopedic knowledge of the products and marketplace, just like selling anything else. So, that's why I keep going to shows and haunting the LGS', cause sometimes the hunt is as fun as the shooting.


I couldn't have put it better myself! Although I stopped going to our local commercial gun shows a decade ago because it just seemed a waste of time and money to keep looking there.
It's always exciting to find something you've always wanted, or a real bargain at a gun show. I still occasionally find a great deal on something at our monthly Sunday morning collector gun show. Not always something big and breathtaking, but sometimes some little accessory I'm really tickled with.
The older we get, the more history we have with guns, and that usually means we remember the deals from decades ago. Tough to swallow newer price levels when you recall what they sold for 3-4 decades ago!
  

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Reply #63 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:30pm
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Gunfunpow wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 11:53pm:
If you're in business to buy and sell guns, you should have an encyclopedic knowledge of the products and marketplace, just like selling anything else.


They deserve the same consideration they'd show any bumpkin with a rare gun he inherited, or otherwise knew nothing about.  To walk down the aisles of a show with a gun you brought to sell or show is to hear one absurd offer after another from the dealers you pass.  (For that reason, I never brought a gun into a show without having it in a case, so as to discourage the insulting offers I'd otherwise be hearing.)  And to sit behind the tables is to hear  many of them boasting of how little they paid for something they just sold.  No mercy do they deserve.
  
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Reply #64 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 9:40pm
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Having sold at guns shows I learned early on that dealers make the rounds on Thursday to cherry pick any thing close to a bargain and it is no different at swap meets. The only thing I was able to buy at the last few shows I attended was something to eat.
  
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Reply #65 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 12:02am
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You guys make good (bad?) points about the average gun show atmosphere and the people who sell firearms in general. Not saying their all dirty rotten scoundrels, but most of them are. I have watched in utter dismay as some young kid sells grandad's old rifle for a pittance to some dealer who convinced him that said rifle is just a worthless old thing that the seller won't ever sell because no one wants an old lever action rifle. I've seen it happen too many times and it's just a tragedy. I give a quick "how to sell your gun online" seminar to anyone I see walking the aisles with a firearm to sell. And no, it's not that I'm jealous that the dealers get to buy stuff on the cheap. I just have this thing about honesty......
  
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Reply #66 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 10:59am
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I have been on both sides of the table for most of my gun collecting life. I have two tables at our monthly OAC collector shows for a couple decades now, and have a table at Denver CGCA show also. 
I usually only display guns at our local show, and I do so to encourage other's interest in single shot rifles. It's been a wonderful experience over the years, and I've made some good friends doing so. I've probably only bought a couple guns offered me during these years of displaying, so it's never been done to bring in guns to me. 
I've gotten to know who is a good buyer, and who isn't. I've also gotten many folk's input on what they think of certain table holders, and it's either bad news, or good news. Some have a reputation for not being fair when they  make offers, or buy. Others get great responses when their name comes up. It's a small world in gun collecting, buying, and selling. It's amazing how one dirty deal will come back to bite you, or how being fair will make you a guy people want to deal with.
I've always tried to be as helpful as possible when someone approaches me with questions about what their gun might be, and it's value. It often ends with the question of what I'd pay for it, vs. what it's worth. You can lie abut it's value, and have the person tell everyone what a thief you are, or you can be honest and maybe have the person walk away. But if you're honest he'll walk away and tell people you were honest, instead of telling them you're a thief. I like hearing people tell me they trust my opinion.

As for buying guns early before shows open. I've never found that works for me. Can't say I've ever bought a gun before a show opened, and I think it happens, but not nearly as much as people think. Most sellers wont sell cheap before the show when they know they've got plenty of people coming later who will pay their price.
Most of the good buys I've gotten were well into the show, and sometimes even a couple days into the shows. Plenty of people had time to buy the same guns, and I'm always amazed when I see a fantastic price on a gun and it's still there 1-2 days into the show.
  

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Reply #67 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm
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Marlinguy, I think if I was in your neck of the weeds, we would be shooting and going for coffee most of the time. I think that of quite a few of the folks I've met here. I think we're all pretty much sympatico as far as morality and such. I suppose that's what I miss the most about shooting and collecting, buying and selling at the shows and the robust discourse to be had either at the shows or in the range clubhouse. For me, sadly, most of those characters have passed on or are close to it. However, I did learn early on (like you) that in business, especially the firearm collecting business, it's best to be remembered as fair and honorable.
  
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Reply #68 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm
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When the seller tells me " it should clean up", that drives me wild. You should not remove patina but for pete's sake clean the bore a little and I may be willing to meet your price. 
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Reply #69 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 5:55pm
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Kurt_701 wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:
When the seller tells me " it should clean up", that drives me wild. You should not remove patina but for pete's sake clean the bore a little and I may be willing to meet your price. 
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We have a gun store here that probably sells more guns than several other stores combined! The seller told me, "I wont spend one minute of my time, or my employee's time cleaning guns."
He is in it for the money, and doesn't seem to have any interest at all in collecting anything, nor does he even like having collectible firearms really. He's OK buying them at dirt cheap prices, but just wants to turn them over and not spend time on them.
He had a Ballard Pacific .40-85 covered in brown varnish all over the metal. Fortunately the boys who did it removed the wood first! But when we were negotiating he wanted a price high enough that it was in the range of a minty gun. I told him if he cleaned it up I'd think about whether it was worth it. He refused, and eventually came down to a very low price I could live with if the finish under the old brown varnish was no good.
It took me 7 1/2 hours with acetone to get all the varnish off, but when I did it was beautiful. I'd have given him twice the money I gave if he'd had one of his employees spend some time doing the same thing I did.

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Reply #70 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 6:09pm
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Kurt_701 wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:
When the seller tells me " it should clean up", that drives me wild. 
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Reply #71 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 12:00am
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Whenever I am trying to sell a gun at a show I make sure the bore and exterior is as clean as I can get it without doing any damage to the orginal finish. There are good and not so good dealers. They are all there to make a buck and I have no problem with them making a buck off of something I sell them. Knowledge is power and every once in a while I get a good deal because a dealer doesn't know what he has. He would do the same if I don't know what I have. Never lose any sleep no matter who comes out ahead on the deal.
  
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Reply #72 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 2:53pm
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When I said in my post that dealers at gun shows make the rounds before the show opens trying to grab anything that is under priced and on which he can turn a quick profit. I was not referring to guns. I never sold a gun at a show or bought one for that matter. I was talking about the seller who is either wants to get rid of surplus reloading gear or is getting out of it altogether. At the Pomona gun show the dealers set up on Thursday and the doors opened noon Friday. My wife and I were set up by noon Thursday and I believe most of the dealers made it by our table by mid afternoon. If they met my price, they bought it. I can't believe this doesn't happen at all shows no matter where they are held.
  
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Reply #73 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 4:01pm
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Long Range,

Yep, it happens at other shows during setup too.
Some fellows come in as part of a setup crew to help oldtimers cart their stuff from the pickups to the tables, and then do their own dealing before the doors are opened to the public.
  

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Reply #74 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 4:06pm
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Aaron, if you come to Denver you can see Clive Cussler's car collection, too.
  
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