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Reply #15 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 1:10pm
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There are several young folks coming back from places we have never been and some of those firearms mean something very special to them that we will never understand. We have a young man we consider our son who spent eleven years in the special special forces and forced out on a medical. His eyes light up when he sees some of those firearms just as mine do when I see a nice single shot and why he collects what he does. We never talk about where he has been or what he has done we just talk about our guns, how to work on them and how to get the most accuracy out of them. He can shoot the other day he was out shooting a 21/2 group at 400 yards with a 308 M16 style he machined out of a piece of billet. Really no different than what some of the more talented folks here do just a different style of firearm and passion but the love of shooting and achieving accuracy at the end still being the same and just as rewarding to himself as it to those here.

  

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Reply #16 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 1:46pm
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Chuckster I think that the Shiloh forums are the real grouch central these days, although this place has it's nasty moments some times.

As far as the topic goes, if someone wants to collect any sort of gun that's good for all of us I think.   People collect all sorts of odd things.  My mother in-law used to collect spoons Smiley.   Whatever floats your boat is fine with me!

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Reply #17 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 3:43pm
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I think everyone is influenced by the time they live in, and the gun people they hang around. When I was growing up in the 1950's it was SAA pistols, and lever action repeaters in movies and TV.
I watched some old movies and TV based on WWII events, but they didn't seem to influence me like the old westerns did. Or maybe it was that the westerns had already influenced me before I saw any war movies?
But my attraction to single shots didn't take place until probably 40 years ago. At the time I began to be interested in single shot rifles, everyone I found who had good information, and collections was of retirement age or close to it. I suddenly realized at almost 30 years old I was really a "pup" in the world of single shot rifles!
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 5:06pm
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They’re not exactly my cup o’ tea, but I could see people collecting today’s rifles after the passage of some amount of time.

As mentioned, once the historic or personal associations start to form, they begin to attract such things as mementos.  Also, the people who make or put together their own versions would have put enough of themselves in them to want to keep them around.  Or if Joe Doakes, Armourer to the Stars, put his chop on one, somebody out there would be hot to acquire it.

What collection would be complete without the version with the “Punisher” Skull repeated along the handguard, or the official MAGA Rifle?  Not to mention those with camo colors that range from jungle to desert to black&white to bright pink.

But seriously, I think Ruger, especially, is trying to establish an aesthetic within the context of the modern, ergonomic, polymer/aluminum/disassembly-without-tools rifle.  The Ruger Precision Rifle Just reviewed in the last Rifleman has a very businesslike look about it, is a marvelous piece of technology, and seems to shoot in a very “collectible” way.

I’m not so interested in all variations and models of a given brand of single shot as I am in the mechanical aspects of the different brands.  How the designers solved the same problems in different ways interests me and influences my collecting.  I could see somebody going for Black Rifles for the same reasons.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 5:40pm
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Growing up I shot my first Deer with a Winchester 94 3030 when in the seventh grade. But it was also a time when that generation at least in my area was home smithing surplus military rifles into some very nice and useful hunting rifles. I can still remember going downtown to the old Sears and Roebucks sporting goods department and they had cardboard drums full of 1903's and Endfields for $25.00 a piece take your pick. Reinhart Fagen was the go to catalog for stocks and the Hertels catalog for just about everything else and you were pretty set. It was not unusual for a father to build a rifle for each of his sons or to help them each build their own when then became of age and I know and have seen several of these firearms by those who have done so and another type of collectable. 

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Reply #20 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 5:48pm
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I’m not so interested in all variations and models of a given brand of single shot as I am in the mechanical aspects of the different brands.  How the designers solved the same problems in different ways interests me and influences my collecting.

I feel the same way.
I love looking at some of the ways mechanical problems were solved before computerized machinery also.
Cool mechanisms.

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Reply #21 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 10:47pm
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But my attraction to single shots didn't take place until probably 40 years ago. At the time I began to be interested in single shot rifles, everyone I found who had good information, and collections was of retirement age or close to it. I suddenly realized at almost 30 years old I was really a "pup" in the world of single shot rifles!

I was 41 when I got the bug, shortly after starting at Winchester.
So much cool stuff in the Arms Lab.

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Reply #22 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 3:01am
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I can't remember how many there are now, how many I sold, or even how many Ballards I sold to Westerner. Every time I start to answer,  I think of another one or 2.  Does that mean I have  or have had enough single shots?  Undecided
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 3:59am
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No.
Hope Joe is OK, he hasn't posted lately.

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Reply #24 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 2:13pm
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In some cases the younger generation might be more open to "crossing lines" than many of us older guys are. I talk to a lot of younger guys and gals at our local collector shows and they are often surprisingly interested in the guns I put out for display each month. They ask good questions, and seem genuinely interested in how the guns are fired, and whether they can still be safely fired. 
I think a lot of the younger gun owners are more interested in enjoying firearms by shooting them, so they might be more likely to buy old single shot rifles if they know they can shoot them, and collect them.
My son in law is career Navy, and with over 20 years in the Navy he's spent a lot of time in some pretty bad places. Never been stationed on a ship, as he is a combat classification. He's been on over a dozen missions into Afghanistan, about 10 missions into Iraq, a few into Kuwait, Libya, and some other nasty places too. 
He owns some black rifles, and some semiauto handguns, but has a big interest in single shot rifles and old lever guns. I gave him a Rolling Block for his birthday last year, and he's looking hard to purchase some lever action repeaters, and singles too. Fortunately my daughter is also a gun person, and she is 100% behind him investing money into a collection of old single shots.
He owns the black guns because he's familiar with them, and likes them. But he's confused with the older guns, and although very interested, he's been cautious about what to buy because of all the variants, and not knowing what is original, or a fair price to pay. I think he's like many younger folks. They feel comfortable buying brand new guns that they don't have to worry about, but would like to own old guns if they can get through the learning curve and figure out what's what.
  

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Reply #25 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 2:22pm
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BP just as my uncle's, relatives, friends of the family did speak of what they went through during world war two and were told not to ask or to even mention it growing up. The same held true for those in the family and friends who returned from vietnam and now the same for those we know returning home today. So speaking for myself this time I don't understand nor do I have a clue and out respect I will never ask or bring it up but I do out respect sit and listen when they feel the need to share a bit of it. When they do it is more times than not the firearms related side of it, what they carried, what they used, the good points, the bad and which ones they would like be able to collect some day. I hope that helps to answer your question if not nothing else I can share will.
  

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Reply #26 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 2:49pm
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My son in law answers generic questions about firearms he used, and missions. But he is still unable to discuss specifics of what missions were, or exactly where they took place beyond just the country. He doesn't offer up any information, but has no problem talking about general things related to his service. 
A few of their missions have been declassified and even posted on Youtube by their Commander, after the Navy considered them irrelevant, or no longer a security risk. I really enjoyed watching a few links my daughter sent me that show the precision and swiftness that the teams had during a pinpoint attack on a particular individual.
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 2:51pm
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Vall I tend to agree with you and the only time I see a so called black rifle is when I am out at the club practicing and always at 200 yards. Most of the folks are a friendly bunch and on the younger side and most have the same thing in common as myself accuracy. So it's not unusual for me to ask them or them to ask me how is your rifle shooting. So I will have them look through my spotting scope and will have a look through theirs and it captures their interest and starts a real nice conversation. With an offer for them to shoot my rifle always included before it's over and the only thing that seems to turn them off is the price to get started. There are also quite a few young women out now shooting with their boyfriends and or husbands I think due to the low recoil of the 223 and pretty much the same as a rimfire. We also being a competitive club have quite a few black rifle competitors and probably not as many pray and spray disrespectful folks as some others might have. We also have some pretty strict safety rules and being a private club one can get kicked out for life. But what also makes it nice is guests are allowed and all of our matches are open to the public.
  

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Reply #28 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 3:12pm
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BobZ I have owned a few but I found for my purpose a few to many. I have always set some pretty high personal goals for myself to reach and the only way for me to get there was to stick with the one that shot the best. That's why my CPA 32-40 Schuetzen Jr. now has so many bullets down the bore and the others long since sold. Out of that lot non with the exception of the 33-47 Bresien would shoot the better and the only fault in it was I didn't know it as well as I did my CPA it had long been a  part of me the Bresien simply remained to be a bit of stranger and it too is long gone.
  

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Reply #29 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 7:14pm
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I would guess that any of us who served had to qualify with some sort of military rifle at least. Some likely had even more varied exposure to other arms depending on their career in the military, or their duties.
When I went in the primary weapon was the M16, and my first impression was to laugh. Just didn't look like any rifle I'd ever shot or looked at, and I couldn't see anything good about it. But after firing it, handling it, and getting some time with it, I actually thought it wasn't a bad gun after all. But I'm just not a fan of any military weapon, even if it's 1800's era. Military guns don't get me excited, but I certainly understand the interest, as I've got numerous friends who love them, and collect them.
  

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