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Reply #105 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 3:24pm
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OLD TUCK wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 2:52pm:
BAH! Vall. I have looked for those kinds of deals for years and never got one like that. Although yesterday I did get one. I found and bought M1885 full Schuetzen 32-40 with a #4 full octagon Barrel 32" Long. Helm style stock and Butt, Early Laudensack Lever Flat Spring, Wide spaced Dble. sets. Bycycle 
Palm rest, a JW SIDEL scope on 151/8" Centers. Optics clear but unmarked for Power. This Rifle looks like it will be too much for me for Offhand but I will make an effort. If that does not fly I will shoot it Bench. The Bore is bright and shiny and looks perfect. Overall the Rifle does not show much use. Going to have it lettered. And may shoot it a little Sunday. Serial # 84,xxx. This one of the best I have acquired in many years so I am excited. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Wink


Tough to top that one with my box of gun screws Fitz! Sounds like a beauty, and hope you post pictures soon!
  

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Reply #106 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 3:30pm
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Guy's I hope to send pictures. Never have before. But I do have a Digital Camera that has a stick I can remove and read in my printer. Going to need some help but I really do want to show this beauty off. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #107 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 3:56pm
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By the way a friend with me picked up a Pope Ballard that was so crummy on the outside we could not read the Pope stamp on the Barrel. It looks like a Hartford Pope but is not stamped in that manner. But with some effort I was able to remove the for end. Has the proper fraction underneath. It is again a 32-40 with a bright shiny Bore. And it appears that it may be Pope # 3, or at least it has a number 03 stamped above the fraction in a different font size. He thinks it may be a Jersey 
City Pope because it is not marked "Hartford" but he already has a Pope #10 That has been identified by Gary Quinlan as a Hartford because he knows the history of it. The only number on it is a 10 on the false muzzle. And he said that when Pope first got going in Hartford he  did not have a Hartford stamp.
We do not have the False Muzzle but it may be in the loose stuff that we are going to have the opportunity to look thru.
Here's hoping. It does have a Pope Sight in clean neat condition
but that could have been added any time in its History. The Scope is not marked but it is an early one with a Large straight tube Objective. I might have bought that but I saw the one I got first and got instant Brain Cramp and spent my $$ first. And he was standing there with a tremendous wad waiting for me to be Broke. HA! That's my story and I am sticking to it.
Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #108 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 3:57pm
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OLD TUCK wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
Guy's I hope to send pictures. Never have before. But I do have a Digital Camera that has a stick I can remove and read in my printer. Going to need some help but I really do want to show this beauty off. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley


Fitz if you need help let me know and I will help. You can email me the pics and I'll post them for you.
  

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Reply #109 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:00pm
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OK Vall. But the first issue is learning how to get the pictures out of the camera and into the Computer. I really am kind of 
Computer Dumb. But I have had a some little success lately.
Thanks in advance, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #110 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 4:39pm
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Congratulations Fitz and very we'll deserving my friend. Picture or no picture by you having shared a few over the years with me and being so overly excited over this one I have a pretty good picture of what you now have in my head
  

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Reply #111 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 5:34pm
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Doggone, Fitz, I know just how you feel. I'm as bad with a computer as anybody, and I still have to take my camera to the store to get prints made. Gladder than ever to have you around. We need to stick together, or a whole way of life will disappear. 
Sure want to see the rifle, but I can't offer a fix for the problem.
  
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Reply #112 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:59pm
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I'd like seeing that Pope too if you got pictures of it also? As you probably know #03 is missing from the 2 volume Hartford Pope books, so if he found it that would be very neat! I'd have to make notes and slip them into my set of books if you don't mind sharing the info via email?
  

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Reply #113 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:20pm
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Vall, I will work with the guy. He and I are close. He may not want to be identified. But we can get around that. He used to do Motorcycle restorations. But when the $$$ went out from under him in the Cranberry business he sold most of them off. Many are in Museums around the country, and one is in the Harley Museum. So, just had a conversation with him and Tom Rowe feels that this Ballard IS a Jersey City Pope and the number is Pope 107 witch is another number we found. I will be taking pictures of mine tomorrow. And maybe getting it lettered at Cody. All for now, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley

By the way. His Pope # 10 is in the Greatbatch book if you want to look at it. FITZ.
  
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Reply #114 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:23am
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I'm a little confused Fitz? I thought his other was #3 Hartford not #107 Jersey City?
  

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Reply #115 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:02pm
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Vall, My mistake, maybe. On talking to Tom Rowe. We had found 3 numbers 
on the underside of the Barrel. One was the Fraction #, just ahead of the receiver. The second about 1/2" above towards the Muzzle is 107. Those two are the same font size and good duplicates in the stamp size/style. The third still another 1/2" from the 107 is 03 and it is a different font size larger than the other numbers. And there are no other numbers any where. Just the HM Pope on the barrel in very small size on the top of the barrel maybe 3/32 to 1/8" high. Based on that and a couple of other Pope Rifles he and I have between us I decided it was most likely a Hartford.
Tom Rowe however disagrees and said he believes it is most likely a Jersey City. I am still not sure that is correct. But for the moment I will not make an issue of it because Tom Rowe has looked at and researched more Pope Rifles than I will ever see. And unlike others we have had on the ASSRA site I have no need to get in a Pi$$ing contest. Time will tell. I have bunch of records here from the Archives from a friend who passed. He was buying and collecting Pope Rifles while Pope was still alive before I was a gleam in my Fathers eye.
As an example look in Greatbatchs book at Hartford # 21. I have that Rifle in
my shop for some work. Only problem I have with it is that it is not mine.
I have taken some pictures of mine and will be working my way to being able to show it here. Will keep you informed. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #116 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 6:15pm
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Here are the pictures Fitz sent me of his wonderful Winchester 1885! What a beauty!

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Reply #117 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 6:24pm
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OLD TUCK wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

As an example look in Greatbatchs book at Hartford # 21. I have that Rifle in
my shop for some work. Only problem I have with it is that it is not mine.
I have taken some pictures of mine and will be working my way to being able to show it here. Will keep you informed. Regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK


Looked at barrel #21, and the description of it's history. Sounds like #21 barrel has seen at least 3 fine 1885's in it's life! Did it ever get another false muzzle built to make it complete? Even a non rifled false muzzle would be nice to complete that barrel. I had to do that with one of my Schoyen Ballard rifles, as it always looked odd without the false muzzle.
  

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Reply #118 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 7:30pm
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Fitz if the same fellow, collector, and very dear friend related to the Cranberry's and the Bog stories my Heart truly goes out to him. Your rifle is beyond being absolutely marvelous, beautiful, charming simply put beyond any words that I might be able to come up with to share. But it was also not unexpected after seeing those you have put together over time and have shared and  your so being so overly excited by now getting this one and again Congratulations my friend what else could one say other than maybe Wow but that really holds true to all of them.
  

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Reply #119 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 8:13pm
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Sonny, thanks for the accolades. But the truth is I am not a real restorer.
I just keep my eyes out for original Parts witch do show up once in awhile.
I corral them and wait for more High Grade Pcs. to show up. When I aquire
enough pcs I build a rifle. I do check with Cody Hoping the serial number history will lead me along the right path but so far no success there. I still do feel I am doing something? good, getting them back close to where they started. well all for now. Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  
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