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Reply #60 - Dec 20th, 2018 at 5:20pm
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Frank, that is a nice bullet for 38 cal, but its too long for
a 15 twist barrel for long range.
I would go to a 12 twist barrel for that bullet.
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Reply #61 - Dec 20th, 2018 at 5:59pm
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Arnie, 
You don't think it would work for even 600 yards?

It has a Sg @ 1200 fps, of 1.9 in the Miller program and a Sg of 2.2, in my program that takes in the nose profile.

12 twist gives 2.97 Miller and 3.4 in mine.

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Reply #62 - Dec 20th, 2018 at 7:08pm
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Frank,
I Like your 1.33" long 38 cal Elliptical minigroove bullet!
And I think it may shoot decently to well at up to 600yds
with your 15 twist 38, whether 38-55 or 38-50.
It will be unlikely to be stabile out to long range.
The Lyman mini snover 378674 at 1.31"long has shot decently at out to midrange. The Brg Traditional Hunter rifles in 38-55 is a tack driver with the lyman bullet AT THE shorter ranges with its slow twist I think 18 twist, out to 500yds.
Your bullet should work well with a 12 twist 38cal barrel.
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Reply #63 - Dec 20th, 2018 at 7:20pm
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Frank here is some info on the matches plus contact info.  I imagine the schedule will be similar this year.   

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With respect to the bullet, I suspect Arnie is right.  I don't shoot .38' at more than 200, but a guy I know who happens to have set NRA records once told me not to go longer than 1.29" for silhouette distances in a 1:15 twist rifle. 

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Reply #64 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 12:07pm
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Frank I believe the range is actually at Millican, Or. out SE  of Bend. The ranges at Tri County in Tualatin, Or. and Douglas Ridge in Barton, Or (both suburbs of Portland, Or) have 1,000 yd. ranges.
But DR is only open to members and the 1,000 yd. range is only open on Thursdays. The Tri County is members only also, but 1,000 yd. range is open every day. But Tri County takes 18 months on the waiting list to join! I've been on their list for 3-4 months now, waiting to get an opening.
DR is open membership, and pretty quick to get in. Both clubs may have Longrange matches open to non members, but not sure if any are strictly BPCR type matches.
  

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Reply #65 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 1:25pm
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Thank you, Chris, for the tip on bullet length for 15 twist. I can mill .050 off the base on my bullet a get that, if I need it.

Vall, thank you for the other options. I had heard of DR but, didn't remember anything about it but, I don't remember hearing of Tri County in Tualatin.

Central Oregon Shooting Sports is 24 miles out of Bend, on Hwy 20. Back in the 80's, when I shot MLers, we had a shoot about 15 miles, out Hwy 20. The match was call "Winter Bend", held the last week end of March and a 3 day event and extremely cold and windy, most times.

Is there any input on X-sticks or X-stick rules?

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Reply #66 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 1:53pm
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Cross stick rules can be found at BPCR under "artificial support" 5.2.1:

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Reply #67 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 3:36pm
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If you shoot at the Rattlesnake Mountain facility then they require you to use cross sticks with some sort of device to hold them so you can shoot off of concrete.   Apparently you cannot use ones that you drive into the ground.

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Reply #68 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 4:58pm
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Chris,
Does that mean that you can have a "foot" on the end of the X-stick, to maintain it in a vertical position, w/o falling?

Is the 3" spike hand installation, allow a hammer? 

I did some reading on a site, talking about a power factor. It requires one of 510 (vel x wt /1000). In doing the math for it, I find that a 38 needs min of 365 gr bullet and 1400 fps, to qualify.

Is that power factor required at all LR matches?

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Reply #69 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 5:03pm
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Frank, I like that .38 caliber bullet that you designed.  Will they make that mold with all the driving bands the same like .376" or .377"
  
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Reply #70 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 5:43pm
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frnkeore wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 1:25pm:




Is there any input on X-sticks or X-stick rules?

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The rules for bpcr silhouette and NRA target rifle are a bit different.
The stuff quoted above is for silhouette, but the bptr rules allow for using wrist rests , cross sticks, or slings, and they are also trying out a benchrest allowance for shooters who can not get into prone or sitting position, due to health/age reasons.
  
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Reply #71 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 6:14pm
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Old-Win wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Frank, I like that .38 caliber bullet that you designed.  Will they make that mold with all the driving bands the same like .376" or .377"

Bob,
I just cast a few with 22/1 alloy. The base band is .3765, the next two above it are .376, then .375, 374. the band next to the nose is .371 and the starting of the nose, is .369. It weighs 329 and is 1.33 long.

NOE, only makes one size mold. They are cut with a cherry.

The original group buy, was for .376 and for .381 sizes. I don't see the .381 size listed now.

He can make different sizes but, the relationship of the band sizes, must stay the same, when you use a cherry.

On my mold, the first 4 bands of .470 from the base, only vary .0015, or .3765 - .375. BTW, mine is a single cav, aluminum mold.

The molds are in stock.

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Reply #72 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 6:39pm
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frnkeore wrote on Dec 21st, 2018 at 4:58pm:
Chris,
Does that mean that you can have a "foot" on the end of the X-stick, to maintain it in a vertical position, w/o falling?

Is the 3" spike hand installation, allow a hammer? 

I did some reading on a site, talking about a power factor. It requires one of 510 (vel x wt /1000). In doing the math for it, I find that a 38 needs min of 365 gr bullet and 1400 fps, to qualify.

Is that power factor required at all LR matches?

Frank



Frank I think that is the idea with respect to the foot.   

Every match I've ever been to has allowed you to hammer in the x-sticks.  Many people drive them in deeper than the spikes.  i.e. the wood gets driven into the ground too often.  Some places have really soft dirt and it's a safety issue if the guns are falling over as they are being fired.   On multi day matches the soft ground gets really chewed up.  On the other hand, some places like Ben Avery you think you are going to break the sticks just trying to get the spikes into the ground as it's so hard.  That's a nice problem to have.

As far as I know only Raton uses the power factor.  But I could be wrong.   Don has shot in a lot more places than me, he will tell us I'm sure.   I've never seen it used.  I'm sure though that if someone is lobbing unstable whizzing bullets into the pits that they'd be asked to stop Smiley   

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Reply #73 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 7:59pm
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Frank,
My sticks use a strap to hold the spacing, so no need for spikes or blades driven into the ground. But unfortunately my sticks aren't BPCR approved because they are larger dimensions than the rules allow. They are Okanogan Shooting Sticks that Wind Whitehill and Karla at Purdy gear did together. I built mine from a scrap set Wind had left in his shop after he passed away this year.
 
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The leather adjustment strap allows height adjustment without having to be driven into the ground.
  

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Reply #74 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 8:13pm
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Vall,
That was my first concept for a X-stick arrangement but, after reading the rules, your only allow two pieces of wood. The bolt that they allow, can be tighten, to hold the two pieces, pretty tight.

Also, after reading the rules, I think one of the main reasons for the spikes, is to allow the X-sticks, to stand, on their own. They cite that a rifle should not fall when supported by the sticks or, something like that.

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