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Schuetzen Medals and Ribbons
Dec 12th, 2018 at 8:10pm
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Last Sunday's lots at Heritage Auction renewed my interest in Schuetzen Verein medals and ribbons.  I have been able to add two or three to my collection but they very rarely come up for sale.

I had this photo from A.O. Niedner's album of himself holding a Maynard Long-Range Creedmoor rifle in front of two boards of medals and ribbons.  I was able to zoom in on the boards and thought it was too cool not to share.

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Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 8:20pm
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Wow, I was saying the pictures would not open, and, Bang! There they were. Cool, stuff, and a really nice photo of the great man in his later days. Then, the photos disappeared again. Anyhow, I'm glad I saw 'em just for a few moments. Thanks.

edit: Now they are back. I guess I'll take it. Thanks again.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 8:24pm
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Ha ... thank you.  "It's not you, it's me"   Grin  I was resizing them to post.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 10:23pm
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Great pictures, Joe. I'll have to pick your brain about Niedner. I had a grandmother and a couple of great aunts who lived in Dowagiac while he was there.

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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 10:31pm
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Get a load of the l-o-n-g trick carving right at the top of the frame holding the medals.  Niedner's "just-for-fun" work, do you suppose?

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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 10:58pm
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Phewwww.... I'm glad it wasn't anything more bizarre than that! I have too much weirdness happening around here right now. Nice photos.
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:28pm
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Thanks for posting those pics, really brings back some history.

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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 9:14am
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Nice Photos Joe. 
There are few people in the single shot game who worked with so many people as Pop.
Munier, Pope, Mann, Leopold, Baker, Shelhamer, up to Kelver. 

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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 12:02pm
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Those re really great images of a huge figure in firearms history! Thanks for posting them Joe!
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 3:41pm
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Wouldn't it be nice to see all that collection on the wall? There must be some interesting stuff in those frames. 
Bill, I saw that on the frame also. Saw another one much like it in a so-called antique store in Sacramento area a few years back.
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 3:48pm
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     One of the medals on the board, center at right, is a Victory Medal, awarded by the Massachusetts Rifle Association to "persons possessing suffficient skill to win one." "The medal was struck in gold, silver and bronze, and the figure on the front of the medal is of Victory, taken from famous Walhalla (Hall of the Chosen) or German "Temple of Fame." but one or two gold Victory medals have been awarded, a few silver ones only, and those in bronze are far from common ; for, even with the acknowledged skill possessed by some of the members of this old association, they have seldom been able to fulfill the requirements to recieve this beautiful trophy."                                                                                                      
   "There have been many engraved medals produced for this organization, which have been won by members and visitors at the Walnut Hill Range, but as the association prospered and enlarged its membership, there was a general desire among its members to produce a trophy which would be superior to the engraved badges, and of sufficient value and beauty tobe highly prized by the person possessing sufficient skill to enable him to win one." I found a silver one many years ago, and after considerable searching, found this information in The Rifle, pg. 13, May of 1885.
  

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Reply #11 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 8:06pm
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Can't help but wonder where all his medals ended up?
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 9:24pm
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I would bet that a great number of them, being made of gold or silver, were sold and or melted down by relatives that inherited them and had no interest in family history or any history for that matter. Most of the single shot rifle collectors I know or have known have an interest in them, and have quite a few in their collections. This being said, there may be a fair number still in family keepsakes. The lady that I aquired the Victory medal from had many medals from her grandfather, most from or related to the Massachusetts Rifle Association, which he had belonged to. She was selling them at an antique fair in Paso Robles, Ca. Her husband had passed away, and neither she or their children had any interest in them. I doubt if she was even aware of another outlet where she could dispose of them. I still have them, and will make sure that they end up in the hands of someone who would appreciate them.
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 9:44pm
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The above reply was not suggesting what happened to Mr. Niedner's medals. It would seem that a lot af his history was retained,firearms, paper, photos, etc, suggests that they may be in someones collection. I sincerely hope so.
  

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Reply #14 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:52pm
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It is interesting that some of the ribbons are for shooting matches sponsored by Turn Vereins.
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 7:20pm
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I have a medal from a San Diego turner bezek (spelling may be off a little) around Davenport some of our turner halls had indoor Ranges.
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 27th, 2018 at 1:37pm
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You might find this store interesting. Several Schuetzen medal for auction. It has gotten too pricey for me. Feel free to drool. Not mine.
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Reply #17 - Dec 27th, 2018 at 3:14pm
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Interesting thread! I looked up Niedner's background and found it to be fascinating.

As for medals, these can be found at all the various antique arms shows in my area. Personally I collect German pre-1930 Schützen medals when I come across them at a reasonable price.
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 27th, 2018 at 3:16pm
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the Rothmanner medals gold value @ todays price is $461.65 so anything over that is what you would be paying for the medal. Depending on the final bid, some might be a good invesment.
  

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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2018 at 8:50am
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Spot gold price, not what a gold buyer would pay
  
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Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2018 at 11:27am
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bnice wrote on Dec 28th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Spot gold price, not what a gold buyer would pay

so are we/youn a gold buyer or a medal buyer? you decide, if one truly wants a nice gold schuetzen medal, be prepared to pay for it, and be nice about it. pun intended.
  

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Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2018 at 12:25pm
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These old schuetzen medals usually go higher than the value of their precious metals. These are more "precious medals".
  

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Just clarifying about gold value. As a medal collector i see people buying just for gold and silver. The knowledgeable ones that that’s there intent give out before the real collector. But some one who think spot is what they can get sometimes go crazy.
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 28th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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Even the company I bought precious metals from wont buy it back at spot. But they guarantee they'll buy it back at .50 cents under spot if I bring in receipts showing I bought it from them. I've never sold any yet, so have no idea how other companies buy it?
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 11:08pm
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In case someone here bought the SF 1901 National it is actually 21.6 K gold. It was made from U.S. gold pieces for the event.
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 31st, 2018 at 3:11pm
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There were 4 or 5 old schuetzen medals from late 1800's that just closed on EBay. I had bid on all of them, but got totally blown out of the bidding pretty early. The highest went over $600!!!! The lowest went around $275.
These neat old medals are doing better than the guns that won them!
  

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Reply #26 - Dec 31st, 2018 at 3:31pm
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Hard not to enjoy the workmanship that went into a lot of them, real pieces of art
  
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