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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1632 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Dec 12^th, 2018 at 9:35am	Print Post
	Interesting mold I thought 32-40 Perfection type Winchester Marked blocks I've never seen one of these.


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 10:30am	Print Post
	Looks like a regular Ideal Perfection mold with a Winchester sprue plate on it. Is it marked "Winchester"?


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1632 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #2 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 10:38am	Print Post
	Quarter_Bore wrote on Dec 12^th, 2018 at 10:30am: Looks like a regular Ideal Perfection mold with a Winchester sprue plate on it. Is it marked "Winchester"? Yes it is Mark Winchester on the mold block is what the guy I bought it from told me it should be in my hands in about a week


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18061 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #3 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 10:49am	Print Post
	Does certainly look like Winchester copied Ideal's mold, or maybe someone fitted the Ideal Perfection adjustment to a Winchester mold?

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1632 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #4 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 11:14am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 12^th, 2018 at 10:49am: Does certainly look like Winchester copied Ideal's mold, or maybe someone fitted the Ideal Perfection adjustment to a Winchester mold? If they fitted it to the Winchester mold the Winchester mold would have had to been a nose pour. I don't know everything about antique molds but I've never seen a nose pore Winchester


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3975 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #5 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 11:57am	Print Post
	When it shows up, I think we'd all like to see some better closeup shots of that one. For my money, it's an Ideal that's seen a little rework. For whatever it's worth, I've tried using a perfection mold and had the devil's own time with it. I couldn't change a long-time rhythm of casting over the pot to raise it every time to clear the screw. Constantly bumping it against the edge. Or, when I remembered, dipping the adjustment screw into the lead or snagging it on the way out. Neither is comforting with twenty pounds of molten metal in front of a person. Bullets didn't work in any event, so problem solved. Good luck


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1632 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #6 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	I agree with you calledflyer .I had Eric at hollow point mold service make me a Perfection type mold for a 30 caliber that and it was just awkward. The one I hadn't do had an adjustable nose length I just took a 311291 and he bored it to .302 in the nose with a little truncated cone profile.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18061 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #7 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	Cbashooter wrote on Dec 12^th, 2018 at 11:14am: marlinguy wrote on Dec 12^th, 2018 at 10:49am: Does certainly look like Winchester copied Ideal's mold, or maybe someone fitted the Ideal Perfection adjustment to a Winchester mold? If they fitted it to the Winchester mold the Winchester mold would have had to been a nose pour. I don't know everything about antique molds but I've never seen a nose pore Winchester I haven't seen one either. But I have seen molds converted to nose pour, and every time I notice the stamps on the block and mold blocks are off centerline to the handles. From looking at the image it's clear that the nose side of that mold is closer to center of the handles than the base side. Maybe it was made that way, or maybe it was milled off to make it a nose pour?

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1632 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	when the mold shows up from Seattle to my door I'll take pictures and post them. I'm going to be down hopefully by the end of the year of visiting our friend Bob Mills. Would be nice to get together and maybe have lunch or something all three of us.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18061 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #9 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	Cbashooter wrote on Dec 12^th, 2018 at 12:21pm: when the mold shows up from Seattle to my door I'll take pictures and post them. I'm going to be down hopefully by the end of the year of visiting our friend Bob Mills. Would be nice to get together and maybe have lunch or something all three of us. That would be awesome! Bring the mold too, so we can all see it!!

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #10 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	The sprue plate on a Lyman perfection has the cut off handle on the right side of the mould and the one shown has it located at the front of the mould. If that might be some help as it would be a bit challenging to modify a Lyman and relocate it. If so there would be a couple of empty holes from the old stop pin location and the old sprue plate attachment screw location.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7660 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #11 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 2:53pm	Print Post
	Since it's Winchester marked, there is also the possibility that Winchester contracted with Ideal to make the molds for them. Frank

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3975 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #12 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	Frank, you get that attaboy here. Better take it before the replies to that come in...


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7660 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #13 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 4:37pm	Print Post
	Thank you, CF Frank

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Winchester "Perfection" mold ? Reply #14 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 11:14pm	Print Post
	Frank, I like your idea about WRA contracting with Ideal. That mould hinge does look like Ideal's design... WRA placed a washer at the joint that's visible in between the two halves on all the WRA moulds that I have.

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