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cedestech Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Aug 12^th, 2017	25-20 load for 50gr lead... Dec 8^th, 2018 at 9:30am	Print Post
	Not trying to reinvent the wheel but looking for some other powder options then Trailboss. Short story, wife has a rifle that appears to love a 50gr hollow point hard lead bullet. The ogive is long on it and I think it works good with the chamber leade. Haven't chronied but it has responded with tighter groups the faster it goes but am just about maxed out on Trailboss (loading about 95% case capacity, 4.3gr, TB says 100% OK but don't compress and I like a little wiggle room) Anywho, loads I can find are obviously with 60gr jacketed and way too fast for lead. I load tons of jacketed for multiple calibers for years but don't really load lead. Anyone have suggestion that isn't a complete WAG? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18060 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 11:29am	Print Post
	I would give Unique a try. I'd start around 3.5-4.0 grs. and see what your gun likes best. I use Unique in my .25-20 and like it a lot.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #2 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	I'm assuming you mean .25-20 Stevens, not .25-20 WCF. The Stevens cartridge has slightly greater volume than the WCF. Only load I've ever had for such a light bullet in my .25-20 Stevens was 2.5 grains of Red Dot. Bullet was 55 grains, not 50. Don't have Chrony data for it. Does Unique build enough pressure to burn clean?

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18060 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #3 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 12:08pm: I'm assuming you mean .25-20 Stevens, not .25-20 WCF. The Stevens cartridge has slightly greater volume than the WCF. Only load I've ever had for such a light bullet in my .25-20 Stevens was 2.5 grains of Red Dot. Bullet was 55 grains, not 50. Don't have Chrony data for it. Does Unique build enough pressure to burn clean? Absolutely. And it's in even the oldest Ideal manuals I own. Where did it say he has a Stevens caliber? Or what indicated it was the Stevens .25-20?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7660 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Yes, that does need to be identified. My guess is that it will be a 25/20 WCF, in a LA. Frank

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blackpowder Junior Member Offline Posts: 87 Location: Blooming Valley PA Joined: Jul 20^th, 2018	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #5 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 6:45pm	Print Post
	I am shooting 8 gr of 4227 with 60 gr jacketed bullet in my 25-20 ss low wall chrono graphed at 1150fps. and they shoot well.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #6 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 12:30pm: uscra112 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 12:08pm: I'm assuming you mean .25-20 Stevens, not .25-20 WCF. The Stevens cartridge has slightly greater volume than the WCF. Only load I've ever had for such a light bullet in my .25-20 Stevens was 2.5 grains of Red Dot. Bullet was 55 grains, not 50. Don't have Chrony data for it. Does Unique build enough pressure to burn clean? Absolutely. And it's in even the oldest Ideal manuals I own. Where did it say he has a Stevens caliber? Or what indicated it was the Stevens .25-20? He didn't. But this is a single-shot forum ..

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18060 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #7 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Yes, and there were plenty single shots chambered in .25-20WCF!

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cedestech Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Aug 12^th, 2017	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #8 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	Sorry, it is WCF not SS. Wifes lever action. I do realize this is a single shot forum but a lot of lead shooters so.... It's for PCCLA and I am looking for just a little more energy at the rams (100 yards shooting steel) then 22mag. Wife has limitations and prefers a light rifle with light recoil. It's an experiment. I know I could just load full throttle jacketed and it'd be a non-issue and there is no "recoil" to deal with but it'd be much quieter if I can shoot these at 12-1400.


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blackpowder Junior Member Offline Posts: 87 Location: Blooming Valley PA Joined: Jul 20^th, 2018	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #9 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	if it helps, I also loaded a shot with 7 gr of 4227 and fps was just under 1000. I see on GT's web site those bullets are 55 gr. this load might be a good starting point?


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Jeff Houck Junior Member Offline Posts: 78 Location: Pocatello Joined: Jan 11^th, 2014	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #10 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	9 grs. of 5744 with a 90 gr. LBT plain base, or a 65 gr. Lyman GC. I also use 3.8 grs AA2 and the Lyman 65 gr. gc for about 1175 fps

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cedestech Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Aug 12^th, 2017	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #11 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	They are listed as 55... Not sure why I thought they were 50... I am going to try some of the suggestions here. Thanks


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #12 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 10:50pm	Print Post
	cedestech wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 8:35pm: Sorry, it is WCF not SS. Wifes lever action. I do realize this is a single shot forum but a lot of lead shooters so.... No toll. I was just making a bad inside joke. If you want subsonic or close to it, do try Red Dot. Bullseye also works for such light loadings, but Red Dot is bulkier. Load will not be 50% density, so watch out for double charges.

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cedestech Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Aug 12^th, 2017	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #13 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 10:50pm: cedestech wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 8:35pm: Sorry, it is WCF not SS. Wifes lever action. I do realize this is a single shot forum but a lot of lead shooters so.... No toll. I was just making a bad inside joke. If you want subsonic or close to it, do try Red Dot. Bullseye also works for such light loadings, but Red Dot is bulkier. Load will not be 50% density, so watch out for double charges. One of the reasons I like powders that are 50% of the case.... I was thinking Bullseye. Between here and another forum I have plenty of ideas to try out. I appreciate all the replies. I hate to go blindly into the abyss on load data...


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7731 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 25-20 load for 50gr lead... Reply #14 - Dec 9^th, 2018 at 9:16am	Print Post
	My 25/20 WCF 86 g lead bullet load uses Unique. Never saw a successful PCCLA 50 gr lead bullet load. How about trying some store bought 86 gr lead with 4.5 Unique, see if it works. About 1300 FPS no recoil not loud and knocks down fine. Boats


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