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Re: Cheap Case Induction Annealer Experiment
Reply #30 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 9:35pm
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What brand is it?  8250a doesn't turn up soldering irons on google.

That should be about 12 gauge wire.
  

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Reply #31 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 2:01am
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An 8250A is a 250 watt Weller brand, discontinued I believe?  in normal applications I've run one for a couple hours at a time, they do get hot and uncomfortable to handle- use a fan cooled cradle.   I don't have one but there's another that may work, it's a straight handle 250 - 300 watt no trigger, my dad used one all the time, he fashioned his own tips, I'll have to do some digging.
  

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Reply #32 - Dec 13th, 2018 at 11:57am
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Sounds like it might be 12 ga. copper Bob, as 12 ga. measures .080"
  

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Reply #33 - Dec 14th, 2018 at 12:59am
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Weller D650PK
Industrial Dual-Heat Solder Gun Kit in Blow Molded Case 120V, 200 - 300W

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Reply #34 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:50am
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Just an update from my recent experiment, I needed a new soldering gun anyway so I purchased a Weller D650PK and tried making a couple of coils to give it a go.  First, this gun has a 20%? duty cycle, 1 minute on 4 minutes off... that's their verbiage on the side of the gun.  made a few coils, first out of #12 solid copper, in a minute and a half, didn't do much to the case, (experimental case was Nosler 9.3x74R) hot to the touch but not much change, ran these all in to the expander die (going to .445 diameter) resistance felt the same as untouched brass. 
The second coil made from #8 stranded, had even less effect so we went the other direction, tried #14 stranded, in a minute on the case, there was a hint of blue to the brass, not much change in the "felt" resistance going into the die. 

Annealed brass using a torch  goes very easy into the die...

Maybe the wire size has to be smaller, solid?  I used what I had lying handy so this experiment isn't conclusive, just sharing what I have so far.
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Reply #35 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:37pm
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Greg,
How about some nichrome wire from an electric heater. Just a thought. That what we used on our feather burners for arrows and it heated up very quickly to a red hot.
  
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Reply #36 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 12:26am
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I have quite a stash of that, I may try it -  both the coils and the wire from that era.
  

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Reply #37 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 11:57am
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Regardless of how well a soldering gun might end up working, you'll likely burn up a good soldering gun trying to use it to anneal brass. 
Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I'll stick to my torch and rod method for speed and longevity.
  

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Reply #38 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 1:41pm
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I couldn't agree with you more Vall.  I have a rotary table type I'm building that I used a table drive from a microwave that shows considerable promise - and like others of this design, it does a lot of brass in a short while - a three torch manifold, and you load it just as fast as you can. 
I was a skeptic going in to the soldering gun style or the induction type but I thought I'd dabble just a little.
  

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Reply #39 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:18pm
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Funny Greg. Just because I also have been playing with a junk microwave table to make a motorized base for moving and spinning cases as I anneal them! But since I don't have your machining skills the table with notches for cases was an issue. 
But I'm not sure I need the notches, and they might even be an issue to restrict various rim and base diameters. I'm thinking a table with occasional rib or pin to push the cases along might be better, and allow for a variety of case dimensions.
Still in early stages, so I'm sure I'll make changes as I see what does or doesn't work well to move and turn the cases.
  

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Reply #40 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:40pm
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Hey Vall, you're up there in the wooded NW - how about an old circular saw rip blade to move the cases along?
  
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Reply #41 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:53pm
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oneatatime wrote on Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:40pm:
Hey Vall, you're up there in the wooded NW - how about an old circular saw rip blade to move the cases along?


Good idea Chauncey! If it was mounted reverse of normal it would push cases out towards the outer ring and create friction to turn them too!
Just need to find one with teeth large enough to accept large rims like .44-77 or about that size.
  

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Reply #42 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 4:16pm
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You must have an awful lot of brass to anneal to need automated rotary machinery.
Might just as well incorporate an auto case feeder, maybe one from a Lee might work.
Or a vibratory ramp feeder powered by your tumbler. Wink

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Reply #43 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 5:20pm
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As often as I get around to annealing, I use the dimmed kitchen and 'her' stove. I hold cases in a pair of pliers and dump 'em into a pan of water on the side. No setup time, or only seconds anyway. No machine to adjust and no problem to do fifty or a hundred in about thirty or forty minutes. One hand for the pliers, one hand picking up the next victim.  Plus, I can just pause and take a drink of coffee or iced tea, depending on the season. Have fun guys.
  
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Reply #44 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 5:37pm
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As I mentioned before I use a piece of round rod and my battery drill. Start my mapp gas torch and sit it on the bench. Then just sip the brass in the flame a couple seconds, and drop them in water.
I don't often anneal, but when I do it isn't one or two cases. If I'm annealing for a caliber, then I'm doing 200-400 cases, and although that doesn't take long, I like to make things that make life easier. I could clean my brass with a brush and some soapy water too, but prefer my wet tumbler.
And if I can make a turntable that automatically turns the brass through the flame, and kicks it off at the end, then all I need to do is sit and put a case on at each hole. Simple, fun, and every case will get the exact same treatment.
  

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