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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Scope tool? Reply #15 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 9:14pm: JLouis wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 8:32pm: If having an understanding of the scope settings and how to read them and then having taken the time to note them it's really about the same with or without the device. Other scope makers didn't rush to copy this device. 'Nuff said? "Patent Pending" … 'Nuff said?

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Scope tool? Reply #16 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	BP wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 9:30pm: \| "Patent Pending" … 'Nuff said? Not necessarily, as it means only that an application was filed. Why don't you find out if it was actually granted?


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Scope tool? Reply #17 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 11:01pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 10:31pm: BP wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 9:30pm: \| "Patent Pending" … 'Nuff said? Not necessarily, as it means only that an application was filed. Why don't you find out if it was actually granted? Why would someone "copy" an item whose patent application was filed, taking the chance to find out afterward that they may have infringed on a patent that may have been simply waiting for the ink to dry on the signature of the grant? I'm having fun doing research in other areas that interest me at the moment, so if you want to find out if the patent was granted, that's up to you.

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7626 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Scope tool? Reply #18 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:58am	Print Post
	When I Shot Smallbore prone my Anschutz 54 had a 2 step front sight block to compensate 50 to 100 yards. I only shot the “English” match 50 meters iron sight only & never used the 2nd step. Smallbore prone is very precise though and shooters ar very fussy about possible changes in position. I heard some say they liked cheek position to be exactly the same all distances and no doubt moving the front would have kept the same cheek eye sight relationship 50 to 100. Device shown working off the rear mount that would not be a factor. Eye piece is elevated same as with clicks. Still no doubt about it, it’s designed to switch distances without clicking. Boats


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Scope tool? Reply #19 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Having done more patent searches than may have been good for my sanity, they can indeed be frustrating, grossly time consuming, and ultimately unsuccessful. But it has also been my experience, as BP notes, that many companies did sometimes stamp some variation of PATENT PENDING and even PATENTED on products simply as a hopeful deterrent against copying, knowing well that a rival would be severely tasked to find out if the application had been rejected, let alone even submitted. All's fair in love, war, and capitalism. Also, for once I agree with JLouis: this device is a "solution" for what an experienced shooter would consider a non-problem. So I'm not surprised that no one else did copy it and that it's seldom seen today. Bill Lawrence
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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Scope tool? Reply #20 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	May be a non problem, but it sure would be handy going back and forth between 100 and 200 yds in CBA matches. My Unertl requires 2 laps on the knob

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Hayface Full Member Offline Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2015	Re: Scope tool? Reply #21 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 7:23pm	Print Post
	Gents, I used something like that with good results for some time on a 22 LR low wall equipped with a short 6x Malcolm copy. Dialed it in for 300 yard buffalo match, then slipped in feeler gauge / shim corresponding to zero at various shorter distances used in silhouette or whatever the game du jour happened to be. Saved a lot of guess work using those cheesy adjusters even after spending way too much time truing them up to much better consistency. Not as good as micrometer adjusters, but that's what I had at the time and wanted to see if I could make it work. It worked very well, unless they fell out! Until now, I thought I had devised something new. There goes my next patent worth millions! Hayface


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Scope tool? Reply #22 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	Bill Lawrence wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:09pm: Having done more patent searches than may have been good for my sanity, they can indeed be frustrating, grossly time consuming, and ultimately unsuccessful. But it has also been my experience, as BP notes, that many companies did sometimes stamp some variation of PATENT PENDING and even PATENTED on products simply as a hopeful deterrent against copying, knowing well that a rival would be severely tasked to find out if the application had been rejected, let alone even submitted. Legally, an ap was supposed to have been submitted to earn the "right" to display that mark, but as far as I know, the P.O. had no means of enforcement. If a patent that had already been granted was challenged by another party claiming to be the true inventor, the dispute was settled in court, not by the P.O. Stevens marked Patent Pending on some of their scope tubes, but no patent was ever granted to them for the very good reason that no features of their scopes could support a claim of novelty. On the other hand, their detachable scope blocks could justify that claim very well, I think, but there's no record of Stevens seeking patent protection for them.


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joeb33050 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2613 Location: Marathon, FL Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Scope tool? Reply #23 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:31am	Print Post
	The Womack Dual Range front sight, (smallbore), is adjustable to either 50 or 100 yards by rotating the front knurled section. Works fine and makes sense to me.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7626 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Scope tool? Reply #24 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 7:45am	Print Post
	Two step front. Boats


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3717 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Scope tool? Reply #25 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:38am	Print Post
	Boats, Two Step Front sounds like the name of a C&W group on TNN.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7626 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Scope tool? Reply #26 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Yes but they wear 10 Gallon Hats ! Boats


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