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Nov 14th, 2018 at 4:49pm
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Did anyone ever get an original Remington Rolling Block that was redone and refinished by Cody Ballard?  I have one that the person said he bought it from them at the Tulsa Show 30 or so years ago. He also bought a box of BP ammo at the same time with their label. There are no maker markings on the receiver or barrel. Just wondering if it is a gun they actually rebuilt.
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 5:06pm
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This was discussed over on the Shiloh Rifle forum a few weeks ago. The general consensus was that they built several on new castings but the castings were a problem and the project was dropped. They may have done a few on original actions also as they did custom work along with the Ballards and High Walls.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 6:27pm
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Could easy be an original military that was reworked or a sporter that was restored. We did a lot of that, stuff the customer owned and we reworked it as they wanted. As Neil used to say, "the customer is almost right". If Ballard put a new barrel on it will almost always will have a letter stamped under the fore-arm indicating manufacturer of the barrel ie; D= Douglas,B= Badger, K= Krieger, 7C= Ballard in house. 
  If it is an "in house" manufactured rolling block rifle it will have Ballard company logo and a serial number in accordance with US law. There were some where up to about 20 of these made. Receivers came from an Ok. company with an affiliation to the owner at the time. Trigger guards, hammers, blocks, were castings, some from Dave Higginbottom and some from I think, Rodney Storey. I did the machine work on the castings and made a lot of other small parts, screws, pins, rear barrel sights, forend lugs. etc. I remember getting quite mad because we had no reference gun to get screw location, dovetail data and all that misc. stuff. I went down town one lunch break and spent $1500 on an original sporter to use as reference. it wasn't in the shape to be worth that much but as I say, I was mad about no progress being made and happy to get something to work with. It was our culture there to make rifles that original parts would interchange with. Still have that sporter, someday I'll reline the thing and maybe shoot a deer with it.
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 11:09am
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Dennis,
Did those same barrel codes get used on Ballard rifles built at Cody also? Or was this only for customer builds?
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 5:24pm
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Hi Val,
Those codes should be on all new barrels installed, whether re-works or new production. There may have been a few by other manufacturers as well. I'm sure on some the maker code was left off, but it would be very few during the period I was there, 2000-2005 the policy was to put a maker code on barrels. Applicable serial numbers should be on nearly all as well. Serial numbers on major parts in addition to the receiver were to prevent confusion when the components were routed to final assembly.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm
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I just pulled the forearm off my Cody highwall and it has B for Badger and the serial number W119.  Beautiful rifle and it has my favorite type of case coloring.  I've been trying to find out who did the case coloring.  Do you know who did case coloring back around 2001-2?
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 7:33pm
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I am almost sure it was Keith Kilby, but I am sure someone here will know the answer for sure.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 7:56pm
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Cody turned out some of the most beautiful and high quality single shots I have seen and they all shot just as good as they looked and all of those various talents being located in the same place will probably never be again. 

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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 7:57pm
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kootne wrote on Nov 15th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
Hi Val,
Those codes should be on all new barrels installed, whether re-works or new production. There may have been a few by other manufacturers as well. I'm sure on some the maker code was left off, but it would be very few during the period I was there, 2000-2005 the policy was to put a maker code on barrels. Applicable serial numbers should be on nearly all as well. Serial numbers on major parts in addition to the receiver were to prevent confusion when the components were routed to final assembly.


My Cody Ballard is a Schoyen model with a extra heavy #4 or #5 weight full round barrel in .22LR, match chamber. It has the serial number C69x to match the action, but unfortunately no maker's letter code? I was told it's likely a Badger barrel, but unsure. 
Was there one particular supplier of .22 rimfire barrels that they used during the time period you were there? I believe my gun was picked up in 2000 or 2001?
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 8:02pm
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Ron Long could, and has done it all, if he chose to, he still can.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 8:05pm
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There were several guys at Cody who had the talent to do anything gun related. As JLouis mentioned, the list of gunsmiths all there at one time was a who's who of talent!
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 8:34pm
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There is a photograph of a Ballard schuetzen rifle that Ron built  in the custom rifle chapter, in John Dutcher's book on the Ballard rifle. I believe the receiver was an original Ballard, but all else was done by Ron, although he is quite capable of making the receiver from scratch. I have seen a number of others, and they are exact copies of  an original. One was a beautiful copy of a Zischang Sharps Borchardt, that Ron built in it's entirety, to include the double set triggers, sights, stocks, checkering, case color, barrel, etc. A wonderful talent.
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:15pm
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No barrel code under the hand guard of the Rolling Block I was asking about. I’ll take the stock off to see if there is anything there.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:45pm
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Kootne what part did you play I can't help but feel you have not been given enough credit for your own talents that were provided to the group while having thier names possibly abit more well known during that time.

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Reply #14 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:47pm
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Old Win, hardening almost certainly done Keith, He came about the time we started high walls.

Val, your time frame seems right compared to a receipt for a rifle I have, ordered May 2001, #C825. Badger barrels in that time frame were pretty much standard in all calibers unless something else was specified. Each rifle had a pretty extensive order sheet with all the build details on it but not being an office guy I'm not sure a copy was returned to the customer.
  

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