svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Nov 8
th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
From what little I have read of that Quigley match it is basically a very popular shoot that allows quite a wide range of rifles, as well as both BP and nitro. Other than some safety restrictions, it does not seem like a venue that has anything like the rigor need to reliably compare long range group sizes from BP vs nitro loads. Maybe some individual Quigley shooters do have the skills and rigor to do, but, would they make the effort?
Other than perhaps ASSRA, etc. what are the specific, well organized precision rifle shooting venues that might rank as suited to complete a definitive comparison of long range group sizes for BP vs nitro powders? Would they even be interested?
The Quigley doesn't really allow a very wide range of rifles. It's restricted to "any traditional single shot or lever action rifle". That's not very wide range is it?
Loads are restricted to cast bullets, and smokeless or BP.
Yes it's a gong or dinger match. But if you think that makes it a walk in the park, or no real accuracy required, then look at who wins it, or who even shoots in the top third. Might ask those who say it doesn't require any accuracy how many times they've placed in that top third?
And I seriously doubt most shooters have won by ricocheting bullets onto targets. It might happen on rare occasion, but certainly not the norm.
And it does take a fair amount of accuracy, or they'd be giving out 8 pins like they were free sample ice cream cones.
But there are a number of gun clubs around the country who open their long range matches to both BP and smokeless, and most shoot targets, not dingers. So it's not hard to compare equal traditional single shots with both powders and get results. And it certainly wouldn't require a match for anyone using the same gun with both powders to come up with results as to which worked best, or was most accurate.
As usual Val you're trolling is just way outside the park.
If you've ever been to the Quigley, then you'll know there are rifles anywhere from Hand rifles held together with duct tape , and Ruger #1's etc to some really fine Shiloh's, C Sharps etc.
Go back and reread, a bullet skipped into the target counts the same as a dead center hit. Most of those targets are from 4-6 moa, with absolutely no way to confirm who hit where on it.
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