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Nov 4th, 2018 at 9:38pm
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I took a chance and bought this book "Winchester Guns 1879 - 1920 Volume 3 Bill West " off Ebay.
Seems to be a lot on the 1885.
does anyone have one that might comment on it?

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Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 8:36am
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I have several of West’s books, the ones covering Stevens, Marlin and Winchester products.  The coverage is amazingly complete, when you figure that it was just one man doing the writing, publishing, sales and research (unless, of course, he knew a vast number of collectors that he didn’t credit, which seems unlikely).  Lots of pictures and catalog references, as well as short descriptions of the models and the people involved.  Pretty well written, too.

I find them to be valuable references.  The main issue for me was that they were always kind of pricey, whether purchased direct from West or found second-hand, and unlike a lot of gun books, generally don’t drop in price except on rare occasions at gun shows when someone doesn’t know what they have.  The self-published “look” of the books is obvious, like the Herter books, which went for pretty cheap, even when new.  Other gun books in West books’ price range tended to be more “finished,” large folio with coffee-table sized pages, expertly-taken color photos and other such stuff we’ve learned to expect.

I’m kind of curious about the man himself.  If he wrote any magazine articles, or anybody wrote any about him, I don’t recall reading them, and he doesn’t show up in any discussions, lists or photos of authors, collectors or exhibitors, like Sellers, Campbell, Grant, deHaas and the other authorities do.
  
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I bought the book for less than $20 on Ebay, I was the only bidder.
Thank you for the info!
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Rebel wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 2:19pm:
I bought the book for less than $20 on Ebay, I was the only bidder.
Thank you for the info!
Aaron
  I have not read any of West's books but I know about 
Bill West as do many others on this site. I knew Ed Mason whose Sevens collection West used to illustrate his book on Stevens. I don't know if he gave Ed credit or not. I thought West was a jerk. Make that a strange jerk.
  
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Thank you for the info LR.
Have you read "How I became a Crack Shot" by Farrow?
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Long range, I also knew Ed and had dealing with Bill. After Ed allowed his collection to be photographed and used in the book, and Eds wife fed him lunch each day he was there, He told Ed that the books were limited run so if he wanted one he could BUY A COPY!!! Oh and did you ever go anywhere with Ed when he drove?
  
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LONG RANGE wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
I thought West was a jerk. Make that a strange jerk.


No personal dealings with him myself, but that was the firm opinion of two booksellers I used to know quite well.  They bought books from him because that was their business, but hated dealing with him.

I looked through the one on Stevens, & thought it seemed to be mainly a collection of catalog reprints--nothing whatever to compare with the kind of genuine personal life-long knowledge found in the books of Grant, Roberts, & DeHaas, or the articles of JV Wagar & Allyn Tedmon.  At the time, I would buy almost any info relating to Stevens, but I saw nothing in West's book even remotely worth its cost.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 6:52pm
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I never knew Mr. West.  But I did buy and try to make use of his Stevens book, and that persuaded me not to "invest" in anything else he produced.  The really sad thing is that in quenching our thirst for knowledge, we historians/collectors/et al often wear our hopes on our sleeves and on our pocketbooks.  Worse yet, we also often fall for the same publishing tricks again, witness the fella with the sights and 'scopes books.

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Redsetter wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
LONG RANGE wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
I thought West was a jerk. Make that a strange jerk.


No personal dealings with him myself, but that was the firm opinion of two booksellers I used to know quite well.  They bought books from him because that was their business, but hated dealing with him.

I looked through the one on Stevens, & thought it seemed to be mainly a collection of catalog reprints--nothing whatever to compare with the kind of genuine personal life-long knowledge found in the books of Grant, Roberts, & DeHaas, or the articles of JV Wagar & Allyn Tedmon.  At the time, I would buy almost any info relating to Stevens, but I saw nothing in West's book even remotely worth its cost. .  

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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Long range, I also knew Ed and had dealing with Bill. After Ed allowed his collection to be photographed and used in the book, and Eds wife fed him lunch each day he was there, He told Ed that the books were limited run so if he wanted one he could BUY A COPY!!! Oh and did you ever go anywhere with Ed when he drove? Yes Tom I did ride in Ed,s old scout and it was scary. After a while I just said , I will drive. When he lost his license I would take him to the range. I forgot to mention another dirty trick West pulled on Ed. He borrowed some old Stevens Catalogs off of Ed , supposedly to just take pictures but when Ed got the catalogs back Bill had cut the pictures out of the catalog to make them easier to photograph. JEEZ! Makes you wonder how some people live as long as they do.   

  
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Reply #10 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 9:31pm
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LONG RANGE wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
I forgot to mention another dirty trick West pulled on Ed. He borrowed some old Stevens Catalogs off of Ed , supposedly to just take pictures but when Ed got the catalogs back Bill had cut the pictures out of the catalog to make them easier to photograph. JEEZ! Makes you wonder how some people live as long as they do.  


Is that sorry SOB still alive? Is so, "something" ought to done!
  
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Rebel wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Thank you for the info LR.
Have you read "How I became a Crack Shot" by Farrow?
Aaron


If you are lucky enough to have a copy of "Muzzle Flashes" by Ellis Lenz (1944), you can read his 5-page review of "How I became a Crack Shot".  I re-read it a couple of days ago, simply because I'm a Farrow fanatic.  Very interesting spin on Mr. Farrow.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 5th, 2018 at 9:46pm
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So, you guys are suggesting that I buy a parrot so I can put West's  book in the bottom of his cage?
An ostrich?

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waterman wrote on Nov 5th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
If you are lucky enough to have a copy of "Muzzle Flashes" by Ellis Lenz (1944), you can read his 5-page review of "How I became a Crack Shot".  I re-read it a couple of days ago, simply because I'm a Farrow fanatic.  Very interesting spin on Mr. Farrow.


Luck not necessary--you can buy a copy of the Wolfe reprint for under $5.  Short book, fast read, but fascinating look at how it was possible for a good shot to turn his marksmanship skills into a living...that is, before the media turned guns into objects of fear & loathing.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 3:49pm
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With W. Milton Farrow, it was ALL about "Target $hooting" and making money on side bets. His employment as an exhibition shooter & traveling salesman for Shoverling, Daly & Gales (1877-1882) peddling Ballards and in 1884 selling Bullard repeaters paid a salary and expenses and probably commissions.  Betting on himself in the matches he entered was how he made money.  If the wealthy gambled on croquet, he would have tried hard to be a world's champion croqueteer.
  
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